BB has a history of screwing things up in the last minute...
- I was so happy & excited when Mr Chen announced the return of tool-belt. But slowing I'm losing my interest in Classic. The main reason is non-removable battery. All I wanted from BB is....Keyboard with shortcuts + ToolBelt + at least 3000 mah removable battery. Am I asking too much??
Looking at leaks & rumors it is almost sure that BB classic will have non-removable battery with 2 yrs old specs. I do not understand why BB wanna go with non-removable battery if their main target is old legacy Bold users like me. I also do not understand why BB Passport gets high specs & treated as a flagship device over classic.
PS: Bold 9900 was almost a perfect device then but RIM screwed it up by putting smaller battery & also omitting auto focus feature. Now they are doing the same thing with Classic.09-16-14 09:42 AMLike 10 - If it has a big enough battery I don't think it is an issue. My Z30 makes it easily through the day. I was on it non stop for 13.5 hours and still finished the day with 20 percent. I was at cedar point too so it was direct sunlight. The specs are a totally different story. But seeing the target demographic it makes sense. The 9900 crowd is still getting a major major upgrade and the phone will probably cost less than 350 bux. You have no reason not to upgrade your bold.
Posted via CB1009-16-14 09:48 AMLike 0 - I was so happy & excited when Mr Chen announced the return of tool-belt. But slowing I'm losing my interest in Classic. The main reason is non-removable battery. All I wanted from BB is....Keyboard with shortcuts + ToolBelt + at least 3000 mah removable battery. Am I asking too much??
Looking at leaks & rumors it is almost sure that BB classic will have non-removable battery with 2 yrs old specs. I do not understand why BB wanna go with non-removable battery if their main target is old legacy Bold users like me. I also do not understand why BB Passport gets high specs & treated as a flagship device over classic.
PS: Bold 9900 was almost a perfect device then but RIM screwed it up by putting smaller battery & also omitting auto focus feature. Now they are doing the same thing with Classic.
Plus non removable battery means no more battery pulls! (come on laugh I know you wanna)
Posted via CB1009-16-14 10:55 AMLike 0 - Non-removable battery isn't a problem, it's one solution. There's a lot of comments on these forums about removable or non-removable. No doubt because the problem is battery life, and for heavy, heavy power users always has been an issue.
Let's identify the problem: battery life
Now let's all focus on what the various solutions are: bigger battery, better power management in the OS, removeable battery, even imagine if solar charging was possible.
None of us know what battery life will look like, we don't even have 100% confirmation what final battery capacity will be. But I think we can all agree, rather than focus on the battery being non-removable or not, we all want good battery life. So put another way, this phone needs 12-14hours of battery life for heavy usage (intensive email, messaging, internet and phone calls) for me to not care about a removable battery.
I'm also in the camp that says if the phone's power management and battery capacity are so bad I need a removable battery, I'll just go with another brand.
I'm just hopeful. That's all.
Posted via CB1009-16-14 01:48 PMLike 4 - Non-removable battery isn't a problem, it's one solution. There's a lot of comments on these forums about removable or non-removable. No doubt because the problem is battery life, and for heavy, heavy power users always has been an issue.
Let's identify the problem: battery life
Now let's all focus on what the various solutions are: bigger battery, better power management in the OS, removeable battery, even imagine if solar charging was possible.
None of us know what battery life will look like, we don't even have 100% confirmation what final battery capacity will be. But I think we can all agree, rather than focus on the battery being non-removable or not, we all want good battery life. So put another way, this phone needs 12-14hours of battery life for heavy usage (intensive email, messaging, internet and phone calls) for me to not care about a removable battery.
I'm also in the camp that says if the phone's power management and battery capacity are so bad I need a removable battery, I'll just go with another brand.
Posted via CB1009-16-14 06:18 PMLike 0 - The only times I've actually seen the use of the removable battery was always just to reset the phone and not to actually use a spare battery.
I'm sure a few do use spares but that didn't seem like the main purpose for it in bbos days.
Posted via CB10neoberry99 likes this.09-16-14 06:59 PMLike 1 - I would glad trade a removable battery for a battery that was not removable but got me double life.
That said, I don't need swappable batteries, but it does need to be replaceable so when the capacity starts to fade, I can replace it.
Posted via CB10robitaille93 likes this.09-16-14 08:23 PMLike 1 - I agree with you all that we should not be worried if Classic would have a stellar battery life. But again... the ability to change battery in few seconds is much more convenient, simpler and preferable esp for ppl who are always on the go. If you do regular 9-5 jobs, then it shouldn't be problem at all with non-removable battery.
I often travel on train and my normal journey time is anywhere between 10-14 hrs. Battery life has been always a problem for me. So, lets say you have 2 spare batteries & a Device, you don't need to worry about for 1 week long business/leisure trip :-)Last edited by nikesu; 09-16-14 at 08:59 PM.
dmlis likes this.09-16-14 08:48 PMLike 1 - There is unfortunately a trade off with either scenario, removable battery is thicker more expensive and smaller capacity. There is only a very small percentage of users that truly need a removable battery as long as there is decent battery life out of the box and not many options other than Samsung to switch to.09-16-14 09:14 PMLike 0
- I never ever had a phone that outlasted since the Motorola Startac... which I purchased their large capacity battery.
But with the Z30... I never would had thought that I would finished every single day, before going to bed with more than 20%. And I only sleep 5-6 hours per night.
I think non removable is the way to go... allows better designs and also removes a lot of contraints in battery size and shape.
Also, for legacy BlackBerry users, the removable battery gives an bad image of "battery pull". I read the forum every day and I still see people talking about pulling your battery! This has to change.
For those that needs extra juice, there are solutions... look at Anker powerbanks.
Posted via CB1009-16-14 09:30 PMLike 0 -
- That is my worry. There have been times that only removing the battery will reset whatever issue i am having. Also, my phone would. Ot turn off, and stay off on my last airplane trip. Had to pull it to make it stop turning on.09-16-14 09:38 PMLike 0
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Posted via CB1009-16-14 09:42 PMLike 0 - I agree with you all that we should not be worried if Classic would have a stellar battery life. But again... the ability to change battery in few seconds is much more convenient, simpler and preferable esp for ppl who are always on the go. If you do regular 9-5 jobs, then it shouldn't be problem at all with non-removable battery.
I often travel on train and my normal journey time is anywhere between 10-14 hrs. Battery life has been always a problem for me. So, lets say you have 2 spare batteries & a Device, you don't need to worry about for 1 week long business/leisure trip :-)
The swappable batt debate will likely go on forever but i'd really like to explore the market side of this. Virtually ALL legacy devices featured swappable battery. If legacy users were dissatisfied with that configuration, they likely wouldn't still be legacy users, IMO. My tiny personal "survey" of legacy users, in and around my little part of the world, can find NO current legacy users that feel like the non-swappable battery is a GOOD idea. Well less than half feel they can even tolerate non-swappable. With that in mind, it seems a pretty risky marketing strategy to be targeting existing "legacy" users with a non-swappable device. Irregardless of how great, or poor, the idea might be, the risk seems surprising given the importance of the success of this device. ???
The easiest way for my old "legacy brain" to connect those dots is to assume BB really isn't solely targeting existing legacy directly. The device really resembles Q10 fitted with toolbelt more than it resembles 9900. THAT can be a GOOD thing in it's own right. Given the Q's history with it's swappable battery connection reliability, it makes sense that they were at least partially targeting Q10 users, also.
Additionally, if existing legacy users were the sole target, it sure seems counter-intuitive to re-introduce 9900's just a few months prior to "Classic" intro.... Gotta be a bigger picture in all of this.09-16-14 10:52 PMLike 2 - I don't think the Classic is targeting solely legacy users. The Classic is simply targeting traditional BlackBerry users and "nostalgic" BlackBerry Users or ex users. The charm of that phone is that it has a traditional keyboard and a belt.
So the main clientle of the classic are people that already used a BlackBerry in the past and like the tool belt and the current users of legacy device.
I doubt that it will appeal many BlackBerry Users and touchscreen users from other platform, especially those that never used at BlackBerry.
Posted via CB10nikesu likes this.09-16-14 11:01 PMLike 1 - 9-5? What is THAT?? lol... Too many times i've climbed in bed only to get called back out 5 minutes later. 3600mAh aftermarket battery provides my 9900 with 3+ day endurance, depending on usage and signal. I STILL carry spares and use them enough to feel really vulnerable without them. I realize 24/7 Pro's are a small minority but isn't that what niche markets are about? Watts out mean watts in. Bigger batts might take more "wall time" to charge. Probably not an issue for many but a BIG deal for some of us. Swappable battery restores device to 100% in five minutes. Tough to match that "charge rate" with any battery tech i'm aware of. Maybe SuperCaps someday??
The swappable batt debate will likely go on forever but i'd really like to explore the market side of this. Virtually ALL legacy devices featured swappable battery. If legacy users were dissatisfied with that configuration, they likely wouldn't still be legacy users, IMO. My tiny personal "survey" of legacy users, in and around my little part of the world, can find NO current legacy users that feel like the non-swappable battery is a GOOD idea. Well less than half feel they can even tolerate non-swappable. With that in mind, it seems a pretty risky marketing strategy to be targeting existing "legacy" users with a non-swappable device. Irregardless of how great, or poor, the idea might be, the risk seems surprising given the importance of the success of this device. ???
The easiest way for my old "legacy brain" to connect those dots is to assume BB really isn't solely targeting existing legacy directly. The device really resembles Q10 fitted with toolbelt more than it resembles 9900. THAT can be a GOOD thing in it's own right. Given the Q's history with it's swappable battery connection reliability, it makes sense that they were at least partially targeting Q10 users, also.
Additionally, if existing legacy users were the sole target, it sure seems counter-intuitive to re-introduce 9900's just a few months prior to "Classic" intro.... Gotta be a bigger picture in all of this.
Posted via CB1009-16-14 11:07 PMLike 0 -
Given the Q10's connection issue, i'm thinking that existing Q10 users might be more eager to seek the fixed batt configuration. ??nikesu likes this.09-16-14 11:29 PMLike 1 - If it has a big enough battery I don't think it is an issue. My Z30 makes it easily through the day. I was on it non stop for 13.5 hours and still finished the day with 20 percent. I was at cedar point too so it was direct sunlight. The specs are a totally different story. But seeing the target demographic it makes sense. The 9900 crowd is still getting a major major upgrade and the phone will probably cost less than 350 bux. You have no reason not to upgrade your bold.
Posted via CB1009-16-14 11:41 PMLike 3 -
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All said and done, as the only BB10 toolbelt device, the Q20 "Classic" will be WELCOMED by most and i'm excited to get one in hand. I personally expect MANY legacy users will jump on it right off and quite a few will eventually migrate to it as their older stuff ages over the next year or two. I'm betting a colleague a week's worth of coffee that the new Q outsells the old Q by May.09-17-14 12:42 AMLike 0 - This reminds me of a post I made a while back about bring too picky. BlackBerry has never released a "perfect" phone that leaves you wanting nothing.
OP said it. The 9900 was almost perfect except the crappy camera and battery.
The Classic has enough going for it for me to want to get it, even though it has its drawbacks (permanent battery, no convenience buttons, no charging contacts, no lighted trackpad)
Posted via CB10nikesu likes this.09-17-14 12:58 AMLike 1 - This reminds me of a post I made a while back about bring too picky. BlackBerry has never released a "perfect" phone that leaves you wanting nothing.
OP said it. The 9900 was almost perfect except the crappy camera and battery.
The Classic has enough going for it for me to want to get it, even though it has its drawbacks (permanent battery, no convenience buttons, no charging contacts, no lighted trackpad)
Posted via CB1009-17-14 01:06 AMLike 2 - I really like the fact that when I drop my BlackBerry (which I do from time to time) I don't have the thing broken like the iPhone and have to replace the whole phone.
The back pops off and the battery falls out (absorbing the shock), I slap everything back in place and I'm good to go.
This may seem like a weird comment but this fact of having a removable battery is a lifesaver for me!
CB10/Z10nikesu likes this.09-17-14 01:06 AMLike 1 - Yeah, sometimes you just have to play the hand you have. A few here in the breakroom feel BB is guilty of what they call "Bill Gates" market model... That is, if you produce a perfect product, no one will ever buy the new ones. Always include a flaw so that existing users, seeking correction, are eager for the next upgrade. Next upgrade fixes old flaws but introduces new flaws.... Been pretty profitable for MS. BB might have carried to extreme...??? LOL...
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