I feel like going back to the 9700

**oap81** · 08-22-2012, 02:24 AM

I have had the 9900 since june and it disappoints in several ways. The battery i'm not gonna go into it. The phone gets hot during calls. Last week the phone now decided to delete everything on my sd card and got the dreaded fatal error message. The 9700 is superior in battery and call quality. I was actually ok with the 9900 until i got the fatal error message. The 9700 was just a beast of a phone.

**Masahiro** · 08-22-2012, 02:30 AM

Have fun with that. A 9900 that is not defective is miles better than the 9700.

**oap81** · 08-22-2012, 02:35 AM

So you think i have a defective device? You cannot compare the two batteries though.

**Masahiro** · 08-22-2012, 02:42 AM

The 9700 did have better life, but there's a few things I'd like to point out with accordance to my experiences:

- I browse and simply do more on my 9900, which will obviously drain the battery quicker
- The battery for the 9900 is super thin and cheap, allowing me to carry a spare in my wallet for emergencies (they're about $10 on Amazon)
- I'm not sure if this is an option for you depending on your carrier, but I can always switch to EDGE if I need to be extra conservative on battery life. The browsing is still more quick than on the 9700.

Also, I don't know for sure if your 9900 is defective. It may also be a messed up SD card or a bad OS install.

**oap81** · 08-22-2012, 02:54 AM

it just happened out of no where. i get the message even without the card in the phone. I did buy a spare from crackberry. I refuse to use a lower signal if i am paying for 4g.

**Masahiro** · 08-22-2012, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by oap81

it just happened out of no where. i get the message even without the card in the phone.

Well the phone should still be covered under the 1 year warranty. Call up your carrier and see what they can do.

**Alex_Hong** · 08-22-2012, 04:12 AM

In my experience, OS 7.1 has better battery optimisation than on older devices. I believe that with a similar size battery, and same usage pattern, i believe OS 7.1 devices will have better battery life. I had BB 7230, curve 8900, curve 8520, curve 9320, curve 9360, bold 9000, bold 9700, bold 9780, bold 9900, storm 9500, and torch 9810. From OS 4 till 7, and that is my experience. Though of course there will be others that have difference experiences.

I have to agree with above posters that i find myself browsing a lot more on the 9900 since with a touch screen, and a better browser, the experience is much better.

In terms of the phone getting hot, i've had no issues with that. Same as the error, OS 7.1 has been rock solid for me. I would suggest reloading/updating the OS with a fresh install and see if that helps. If that still doesn't solve your concerns, the 9700/9780 is still an awesome device. The 9780 does have a much better camera compared to 9900.

**ForgWorm** · 08-22-2012, 05:42 AM

Why would you even consider to go back to the 9700?
The 9900's battery life does suck.. just get another JM1 battery!
Im powerless with my 9900 thanks to that..
It has a much much better UI and specs compared to the 9700!

**aluiziomachado** · 08-22-2012, 09:08 AM

I kept the 9900 for four months...than went back to 9780. the 9900 is better in many aspects but not in the "key" aspects :
1- battery life. Now i can use my 9780 for a weekend without charge. I can keep my messenger on all the time to talk to my assistants. I can keep wifi, bluetooth, many apps running without even think about the battery life
2- call quality. Its a fact that the steel edge of the 9900 change the signal strenght. For many that are not living on the best signal areas it makes difference. If you test the same SIM in the 9900 or 9700 on the same place its clear 9700 have superior performance. It affect the call quality and the bluetooth performance.
3- Hand grip : the combination of the old leather case of the 9700 with its size give us the better one hand "fast check performance". To remove the 9900 from its case and just "give a look"at it you have to use two hands. You can do the same with the 9700 with only one hand.
4- OS performance. OS 7 is best but it has many bugs, freezes, bluetooth issues and others. Thats why many keep trying to get the new OS release. The OS 6 keeps a good performance (battery, signal, stability) for everyone, no need to update.
I would like to have a better device with BB10 next year. Fow now, i'll keep my 9780.

**totallygone** · 08-22-2012, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by aluiziomachado

I kept the 9900 for four months...than went back to 9780. the 9900 is better in many aspects but not in the "key" aspects :
1- battery life. Now i can use my 9780 for a weekend without charge. I can keep my messenger on all the time to talk to my assistants. I can keep wifi, bluetooth, many apps running without even think about the battery life
2- call quality. Its a fact that the steel edge of the 9900 change the signal strenght. For many that are not living on the best signal areas it makes difference. If you test the same SIM in the 9900 or 9700 on the same place its clear 9700 have superior performance. It affect the call quality and the bluetooth performance.
3- Hand grip : the combination of the old leather case of the 9700 with its size give us the better one hand "fast check performance". To remove the 9900 from its case and just "give a look"at it you have to use two hands. You can do the same with the 9700 with only one hand.
4- OS performance. OS 7 is best but it has many bugs, freezes, bluetooth issues and others. Thats why many keep trying to get the new OS release. The OS 6 keeps a good performance (battery, signal, stability) for everyone, no need to update.
I would like to have a better device with BB10 next year. Fow now, i'll keep my 9780.

This is a nice sum of some of the pros and cons between the 9700 and the 9900. Especially the battery and the OS performance.

But I will stick with the 9900 because...

1)it is a larger device and the keyboard is a huge improvement definitely.

2) I can get a case to improve on the slippery backdoor. If I used NFC, I probably wont care about the back door anyway.....but I definitely miss that leather feel.

3) When it is working at top performance, it definitely is faster and smoother than the 9700.

4)I can run more apps in the background without it slowing.

**aluiziomachado** · 08-22-2012, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by totallygone

This is a nice sum of some of the pros and cons between the 9700 and the 9900. Especially the battery and the OS performance.

But I will stick with the 9900 because...

1)it is a larger device and the keyboard is a huge improvement definitely.

2) I can get a case to improve on the slippery backdoor. If I used NFC, I probably wont care about the back door anyway.....but I definitely miss that leather feel.

3) When it is working at top performance, it definitely is faster and smoother than the 9700.

4)I can run more apps in the background without it slowing.

Good points too,..I still keep my 9900, and sometimes i try it again. Actually i dont think 9700 is better overall, it depends on the point of view. But i think i can rely more on the 9700's (mine is 9780 now) compared to 9900. There is no doubt that the screen and keyboard of the 9900 are incomparable. The browser is much better and the device overall is good-looking. But for me the 9780 is a better communicator device, thats what i feel at the moment.

**oap81** · 08-22-2012, 06:20 PM

maybe thats the better word for it. 9700 seems more reliable.

**BlazorBoy** · 08-23-2012, 04:18 AM

The best part of the 9700 and the worst of the 9900 is UMA. It was great on the 9700 and I used it around the world. Wifi calling sucks big time on the 9900.

**raddbj03** · 08-23-2012, 01:50 PM

I loved my 9700 because it was great for calls, email, SMS and had great battery life. The 9900 improves on things like screen resolution and browsing but it still sucks relative to iOS or Android.

It's almost like the 9900 is too much of a tease. Either make the browser, camera, and apps on par with the top smart phones or don't do it at all. This half hearted attempt to draw in more users yet keep the core users happy just results in buggy OS and features that I would love to use but don't work that well. At least with my 9700 I knew the web and camera sucked so I never expected the phone to do them well.

**eve6er69** · 08-23-2012, 10:55 PM

The media card thing may be the phone or the media card. Hard to tell but if battery life is your main concern the 9700 or a seidio ext battery for the 9900 would be your best options. Also the 9700 has autofocus too so that makes a difference to a lot of people.

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**bimmerdriver** · 08-24-2012, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by oap81

The 9700 was just a beast of a phone.

Right, but that's ALL the 9700 was - a phone. The browser is a useless joke. The screen is a postage stamp. The keyboard is too small. The processor is too slow and memory too small to effectively run apps. If you would rather have a 9700 than a 9900, go for it.

**SK122387** · 08-24-2012, 02:18 AM

I'm on my phone pretty often, texting, BBMing, some phone calls, and Twitter and web browsing, and with OS 7.1.0.649, I have gotten excellent battery life. I had the 9700 and then two 9780s prior to the 9900 and I admit, the stock OS that came on the 9900 when I got it last August on T-Mobile was TERRIBLE. The day I got it, I charged it a bunch of times and then it died when I was out with my friends that night.

But after uploading the latest leaked OS, the battery life has been great, and so has the call quality. It was hard for me to go back to the 9700 even when I had my black and white 9780s... going from the 9900 to the 9700 would be depressing for me haha. If your phone is under warranty, your provider should do a warranty exchange, and then when you get it, you can load the latest leaked OS (if you use a PC). It's easy to do and drastically improves upon what I believe to be the best BlackBerry yet.

**bbzak** · 08-24-2012, 04:01 AM

Originally Posted by aluiziomachado

Good points too,..I still keep my 9900, and sometimes i try it again. Actually i dont think 9700 is better overall, it depends on the point of view. But i think i can rely more on the 9700's (mine is 9780 now) compared to 9900. There is no doubt that the screen and keyboard of the 9900 are incomparable. The browser is much better and the device overall is good-looking. But for me the 9780 is a better communicator device, thats what i feel at the moment.

Very valid.

I have also reached the same point.

I keep my 9780 as my BB device. It does everything what a BB is supposed to do, and that too in the best classic blackberry style, ease and simplicity. Backed up with a generous battery life, I should say.
My 9900 is more of a fancy thing for me, just because I don't want to own anything other than a Blackberry for now.

If the new BB devices will not be as good as the 9780 in being a good communicator device, then those are never going to find place in hearts for sure.

**Slash82** · 08-24-2012, 04:21 AM

Had simular problems with my 9900.

I have been a BB-user since 2006, when I bought my first 8700.
Never had any problems with any devices since then.
The 9900 was the first Blackberry I went off, not because of an upgrade but because I had problems.

I really loved it's size, screen, keyboard and power. But that was just the first view.
After using it for a while the problems started...

I didn't run very stabil, had to pull the battery more times a day. My wifi reception was VERY poor and the batterylife went from bad to "ok" after upgrading to OS 7.1.
But I wasn't really happy with that.

So I switched to the 9790 and it was a great move!
More batterylife, runs more stabil and I still have my HTML5-browser in it with a lot of power.
That was a good compromise!

Don't know if I had a "bad" 9900 or if it's really that "bad".

Now I found piece of mind.

**aluiziomachado** · 08-24-2012, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by bbzak

Very valid.

I have also reached the same point.

I keep my 9780 as my BB device. It does everything what a BB is supposed to do, and that too in the best classic blackberry style, ease and simplicity. Backed up with a generous battery life, I should say.
My 9900 is more of a fancy thing for me, just because I don't want to own anything other than a Blackberry for now.

If the new BB devices will not be as good as the 9780 in being a good communicator device, then those are never going to find place in hearts for sure.

I´ve tried some devices. I like to test them , including Galaxy, Iphone and bb9900. I dont care to buy some and than discard it after sometime selling it. Since i like the subject (smartphones) for me its fun to do it, and discuss it. I put all my serious work things in the smartphone and i always try to think the best way i can be more productive regarding communication reliability (text, messenger, email) , Calendar and Tasks organization and files manipulation. Games, pictures and websurf are secondary for me. Of course it would be more logical to put all things in just one device. But, at the moment, my combination is BB9780 for work and Galaxy Note for fun (web and pictures). I dont know how much this combination will survive , but at the moment this is the right one for me...I´ve thought about the 9790 or 9630, but the 9780 battery is amazing and i need it to keep my communication on the top (messenger on all the time, task sync all the time, bluetooth, wifi and others...)

**Lulu1958** · 08-24-2012, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by aluiziomachado

I kept the 9900 for four months...than went back to 9780. the 9900 is better in many aspects but not in the "key" aspects :
1- battery life. Now i can use my 9780 for a weekend without charge. I can keep my messenger on all the time to talk to my assistants. I can keep wifi, bluetooth, many apps running without even think about the battery life
2- call quality. Its a fact that the steel edge of the 9900 change the signal strenght. For many that are not living on the best signal areas it makes difference. If you test the same SIM in the 9900 or 9700 on the same place its clear 9700 have superior performance. It affect the call quality and the bluetooth performance.
3- Hand grip : the combination of the old leather case of the 9700 with its size give us the better one hand "fast check performance". To remove the 9900 from its case and just "give a look"at it you have to use two hands. You can do the same with the 9700 with only one hand.
4- OS performance. OS 7 is best but it has many bugs, freezes, bluetooth issues and others. Thats why many keep trying to get the new OS release. The OS 6 keeps a good performance (battery, signal, stability) for everyone, no need to update.
I would like to have a better device with BB10 next year. Fow now, i'll keep my 9780.

I have to agree with everything that's said here. I have the 9780, then went to Android then went to the bold 9900. I dont want to have to turn down the brightness to dim the screen or turn the phone off at night. I dont want to have to carry around another battery and constantly have to replace the battery which cant be good for the back cover, taking it off all the time. So now after using the amaze, the galaxy s, the radar and the bold 9900, I am now going back to my 9780. Its just a better phone in so many ways.

**Lulu1958** · 08-24-2012, 12:57 PM

Having to do all these things to make the battery last longer takes the enjoyment away from the phone.

**maam** · 08-24-2012, 01:16 PM

I'm currently using my 9700, because my 9900 broke and I miss it everyday eh

**OniPod** · 08-24-2012, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Lulucurlybear

I have to agree with everything that's said here. I have the 9780, then went to Android then went to the bold 9900. I dont want to have to turn down the brightness to dim the screen or turn the phone off at night. I dont want to have to carry around another battery and constantly have to replace the battery which cant be good for the back cover, taking it off all the time. So now after using the amaze, the galaxy s, the radar and the bold 9900, I am now going back to my 9780. Its just a better phone in so many ways.

See, that's part of the problem with living in the past. We always look back to our experiences with our past devices and for some strange reason, keep getting stuck in the past.

The 9780 was an amazing device (I loved mine and still have it, just in case), but to compare a 9900 to a 9700 is not even possible.

Much the same with the way you view Android. See, technology progresses, even if the consumer does not. I am gonna call BS on the back cover story (it's not good for it? It's been the same for devices that have removable batteries (which is what most people want BTW)) Taking off the back cover on a PB would be problematic, but doing that with a device that was designed for it? Seriously?

I haven't had to turn off a mobile device since before my V3, so you can stop with that as well. My current Android? Brightness at 100%, widgets gone, and battery life is on par with 40+ hours.

**Lulu1958** · 08-24-2012, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by aluiziomachado

I´ve tried some devices. I like to test them , including Galaxy, Iphone and bb9900. I dont care to buy some and than discard it after sometime selling it. Since i like the subject (smartphones) for me its fun to do it, and discuss it. I put all my serious work things in the smartphone and i always try to think the best way i can be more productive regarding communication reliability (text, messenger, email) , Calendar and Tasks organization and files manipulation. Games, pictures and websurf are secondary for me. Of course it would be more logical to put all things in just one device. But, at the moment, my combination is BB9780 for work and Galaxy Note for fun (web and pictures). I dont know how much this combination will survive , but at the moment this is the right one for me...I´ve thought about the 9790 or 9630, but the 9780 battery is amazing and i need it to keep my communication on the top (messenger on all the time, task sync all the time, bluetooth, wifi and others...)

So do you alternate each phone or keep the Galaxy Note for use without the sim card?