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[Blackberry Guy]

Originally Posted by Karan_G

But end of the day consumers will decide what they need.

Apple's marketing will make them think they need an iPhone.

You gotta give it to them, Apple's ability to create a brand image and hype has given them the ability to hide many of their products' shortcomings and create a "must have" attitude in consumers. Their products have essentially become fashion items - if you're hyp, trendy and cool, then you have an iPod/iPhone. Unfortunately, I think too many people when they think of Blackberry, still think of the pancaked shaped device attached to the head of a guy in a suit. RIM is slowly changing it's image with the Pearl and Curve, but still has a ways to go before they get beyond the business and Crackberry crowds and into the hearts and minds of the everyday person.

I have an iPod nano and touch, but I won't be going to an iPhone anytime soon. Blackberries have the features I need and most importantly, they work well as phones. I'd say they are just a step or two behind Motorola in RF. For all the "Top 10 lists" and "Why X-brand is better" debates on the internet, I have not seen anyone mention the importance of how the 3G iPhone is as a phone. We all have a friend or two, and have also read reviews that have said call quality and basic phone operation left a lot to be desired on the 1st gen iPhone. First and foremost it is a phone and that should be more important that whether or not it plays mp3s or videos. It should be interesting to see how the 3G does in that department vs the Blackberries.

[Karan_G]

Originally Posted by Blackberry Guy

Apple's marketing will make them think they need an iPhone.

You gotta give it to them, Apple's ability to create a brand image and hype has given them the ability to hide many of their products' shortcomings and create a "must have" attitude in consumers. Their products have essentially become fashion items - if you're hyp, trendy and cool, then you have an iPod/iPhone. Unfortunately, I think too many people when they think of Blackberry, still think of the pancaked shaped device attached to the head of a guy in a suit. RIM is slowly changing it's image with the Pearl and Curve, but still has a ways to go before they get beyond the business and Crackberry crowds and into the hearts and minds of the everyday person.

I have an iPod nano and touch, but I won't be going to an iPhone anytime soon. Blackberries have the features I need and most importantly, they work well as phones. I'd say they are just a step or two behind Motorola in RF. For all the "Top 10 lists" and "Why X-brand is better" debates on the internet, I have not seen anyone mention the importance of how the 3G iPhone is as a phone. We all have a friend or two, and have also read reviews that have said call quality and basic phone operation left a lot to be desired on the 1st gen iPhone. First and foremost it is a phone and that should be more important that whether or not it plays mp3s or videos. It should be interesting to see how the 3G does in that department vs the Blackberries.

You can make that same argument with any product on the market. No company is going to emphasis the flaws in their products. Apple did brilliant marketing, no doubt about it. BB will never achieve the same "cool factor" that the iphone has to the general public. The iphone is by no means a bad phone, it excels in many ways and the same can be said about the bb. It has its pros and its cons. I will give you this, the iphone sells its image, not its functionality, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have functionality. Its like a beautiful woman can have a great personality but shes only apriached based on her looks. The iphone provides more simple functionality as a PIM but has robust media/internet functionality. The opposite is true for the BB, robust PIM/email functionality, average, simple media and internet.

[gthmcty1]

I had a BB curve for about 8 months and decided I wanted to go to an iphone and see what all the hoopla was about, I explored it and put the phone through its paces. Overall the iphone is a very "cool" phone and some of the features are very well executed, the lack of video, MMS these are 2 things that I utilize quite a bit.
There are 3rd party apps that will address these shortcomings but it is just an added step in the process, the keyboard took me about 3 days to get used too and after that I was a wiz at typing emails and sending text. If I had a compalint about the curve it would be that the tips of my thumbs start to hurt after a few replies to emails and text messages but hey I can live with that.
I eventually went back to curve due to the functionality of the phone because it suited me more than the iphone did from a business standpoint. Apple has great marketing no doubt about it, but RIM has the "necessities and the "perks".

Just my .02

[Mr_Big_Dogg]

I'm currently trying to decide on which phone to get. I really like the features on the Bold but I don't want to wait a long time to get it. I have a touchscreen now and I like a lot of things about it, but it's the HTC 8525 which also has a slideout keyboard which make for better typing. The IPhone is a pretty cool phone and my brother owns one and says that once you get use to typing on it, it's easy. I think what will make me decide on Bold vs. IPhone is going to be two things, one, when will the bold be coming out, (hopfully very soon), and two, what will be the price (hopfully close or less the the new IPhone). Now if both of those things are close to the IPhone, I'll be getting the bold, if not, guess an IPhone it will be. BTW, has anyone heard of when the bold will be coming out or what the cost will be?

[GrkBMWQT]

I commented on that post and started goin' back and forth with this Tom guy that nobody liked!!! It's hysterical! You guys gotta read it! It's under the article that replyed to CB's article "Top 10, why the iPhone is STILL no BB"!! My comments are signed Marina (obviously my name, lol)! Check it out for a good laugh!!!

[CrazEtooN]

The guy is saying that the iPhone suits some people better, and BlackBerrys suit others better. Where is the problem with that? The hysterical thing that I see is the gaggle of BlackBerry fanatics ganging up on him...

Edit: Sorry, I forgot this part: Welcome to our community. I am glad one of your first 2 posts was one designed to cause even more iPhone vs. BB related grief on this site. It is really just what we need.

[Tooking_mcknn]

I've seen that video posted up at Gizmodo. Sometimes whenever I read either the articles/comments I feel like throwing up in my mouth a little because of the ludicrous amount of apple fanboyism. The comparison was ridiculous as well, it didn't even stack up all of the features of both phones and every time a comparison was made he said he like the iPhone better. He even forgot to mention (been a while since i've seen it but I don't think this was said) that the BB BOLD has external memory for Micro SD cards. I'm not really a "fanboy" of either yet but I just don't like seeing it when someone's biased opinion gets in the way of a fair comparison.

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[Duvi]

Originally Posted by Tooking_mcknn

I've seen that video posted up at Gizmodo. Sometimes whenever I read either the articles/comments I feel like throwing up in my mouth a little because of the ludicrous amount of apple fanboyism. The comparison was ridiculous as well, it didn't even stack up all of the features of both phones and every time a comparison was made he said he like the iPhone better. He even forgot to mention (been a while since i've seen it but I don't think this was said) that the BB BOLD has external memory for Micro SD cards. I'm not really a "fanboy" of either yet but I just don't like seeing it when someone's biased opinion gets in the way of a fair comparison.

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It's not for APPS! I can have 16gb worth of apps on my device. The BOLD has an expandable slot for media. I don't do the music/media thing too much and I love the iPhone better. Right now, I don't even have music/videos on my iPhone. I'm not a fanboy as I will never like just one company, but the ideas or progression the bring to the table. The iPhone was my first/only Apple product, so I'm unsure how this may make me a fanboy.

[Duvi]

Originally Posted by Karan_G

Heres my 2 cents.

Both the iphone fanboy and bb fanboy arguments are purely subjective. Some need a real keyboard (like myself) and others can live with a virtual keyboard. Both devices have their pluses and minuses and ultimately there are people who are better of using an iphone and some more inclined to use a blackberry and millions who prefer neither.

My break down.

Iphones benifits:
arguably more cool/hyped (bb people, i know, i think the bb is more cool but i think the general public image of the bb is business and the iphone is hip)

best media player on a phone (im an ipod fanboy so i gota give this to apple)

better web browser

3 inch touch screen

touch controls are fun to show off and impress people.... (even my 3 year old cousin can operate them)

BB benefits

lets 3rd party software run programs in the backround

does everything an iphone can do but in a less stylized way

push email

MMS / cut and paste (not really a deal maker/breaker for me)

Blackberries are getting more and more stylish and hip. IMHO its the perfect fusion between work and play.

Battery is changeable

video recording

The rest is all up in the wind...

Touch screen vs keyboard

16gb memory built in/not expandable vs smaller but expandable memory

ect ect ect.


But end of the day consumers will decide what they need.

I'm trying to figure out how video recording is on there and push email. Video recording is going to be in a software update and is not official. If you are going to mention video recording, then push email shouldn't be up there as apple will have that come 2.0.

Once again with the memory... it's expandable to 16gb, but not for applications. I will probably have 40 applications on my device and not hit the half way point, while you will have 10 apps and still doing a battery pull do to the memory leak of the little amount of memory left.

3rd party software will be able to run in the background. The difference is that it won't be "active" eating up memory, but send you notifications that you have items waiting.

"does everything an iphone can do but in a less stylized way" .... isn't this a plus for iPhone? "The things they both do, the iPhone does in a more fashionable way."

Battery being replaceable easily by the user... I say easy as the user can do it, but it's not simple. I have never switched a battery out because it was defective in my whole phone career. I usually find this out within the first 30 days and exchange it, which only happened maybe two or three times, all with BLACKBERRIES.

MMS... It does do this. I prefer emailing as well. This is no way bothers me.

[Skormm]

This thread is still alive?

(D*mn it I just bumped it!)

[Arninetyes]

I posted a lengthy reply in one of the other, many iPhone/BB threads. I was just going to paste it here, as all my points apply here as well, but I'm on a borrowed iPhone...

By the way Chevys suck, Fords are great.

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Originally Posted by Jayden0606

I'm trying to figure out how video recording is on there and push email. Video recording is going to be in a software update and is not official. If you are going to mention video recording, then push email shouldn't be up there as apple will have that come 2.0.

It's like cut & paste. When it's there, it's there and until then it's not there. I'm not going to buy a product because unofficially a feature I want/need may be added in the future. Of course if you want a certain product enough but that one feature is the only thing holding you up then it makes it easier to take the plunge. But I've been burned enough times going down that road and so will never get an iPhone until it has c&p. I have the iPod Touch but don't need c&p for it.

Once again with the memory... it's expandable to 16gb, but not for applications. I will probably have 40 applications on my device and not hit the half way point, while you will have 10 apps and still doing a battery pull do to the memory leak of the little amount of memory left.

I hate that about by 8700c but I don't really use a lot of apps. What I really need a better browser. I browse quite a bit on my BB but would rather use the Touch's browser so I use it if I'm in a wifi area instead. Despite working in downtown new york there is surprisingly little wifi.

3rd party software will be able to run in the background. The difference is that it won't be "active" eating up memory, but send you notifications that you have items waiting.

What do you mean? If it's not in memory then it can't be active. Something has to be in memory.

Battery being replaceable easily by the user... I say easy as the user can do it, but it's not simple. I have never switched a battery out because it was defective in my whole phone career. I usually find this out within the first 30 days and exchange it, which only happened maybe two or three times, all with BLACKBERRIES.

If you replace your iPhone's battery yourself aren't you voiding the warrantee? I don't see how this is a plus or in any way mitigates the blackberry's advantage here. The iPhone may (or may not) have a better battery but I can always walk around with a spare or 2 for my 8700 if I'm not going to be able to charge it before it dies. I had one of the very first iPods and it too did not have a replaceable battery. It had good battery time but I was sool if I wasn't in an area where I could recharge it. Apple offered to replace the battery themselves if it went bad (mine never did) but that completely misses the point. It's not whether the battery ever goes bad but there is no option to put in a fresh battery when the charge runs out. It's why I never got a second iPod until my Touch since I can charge it through my laptop (of course replacing a laptop battery is a whole 'nother issue). Some day I hope to be able to recharge my Touch through my Bold.