Are new OS7 phones a one OS and discarded line?

**papped** · 05-02-2011, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by katiepea

the POINT was that this device isn't going to look different to consumers, and if someone who doesn't know anything about phones goes in and says 'how is this different from the blackberry i have already" that i'm not sure there's really an answer for that, but there are plenty of other phones with more features they can be introduced to.

You don't know the answer != there's no answer...

A "minor" bump from 600mhz to a 1.2ghz cpu + ~60fps homescreen + webkit browser that makes the torch look very slow + much higher pixel density is very easy to show off...

**FigureThisOut** · 05-02-2011, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by katiepea

seeing as how the original topic was are these phones going to be updated in the future, i think responding appropriately that they likely won't be is entirely valid and can't be pushed aside with 'well nobody updates their phones' argument.

Again, the average consumer may not update. But us, the enthusiasts here on
a forum regarding smartphones do. And that's to what/who the topic was posed to.

**FigureThisOut** · 05-02-2011, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by papped

You don't know the answer != there's no answer...

A "minor" bump from 600mhz to a 1.2ghz cpu + ~60fps homescreen + webkit browser that makes the torch look very slow + much higher pixel density is very easy to show off...

Yup. Which makes a sales rep job much easier.

**katiepea** · 05-02-2011, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by FigureThisOut

Again, the average consumer may not update. But us, the enthusiasts here on
a forum regarding smartphones do. And that's to what/who the topic was posed to.

precisely, so as an enthusiast, i would find this device to be hard to purchase due to lack of upgradability.

**FigureThisOut** · 05-02-2011, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by katiepea

precisely, so as an enthusiast, i would find this device to be hard to purchase due to lack of upgradability.

Which is true. But your argument is that they can't and you seem to want that
to be the final answer and would rather nobody discusses anything further.

**MissJennell#IM** · 05-02-2011, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by katiepea

this conversation has turned into completely moot points. first off i don't think there is an android phone out right now that the bootloader hasn't been unlocked, and secondly who cares. my posts were on topic until some tangent argument was created about how all phones are the same regardless, and if that's the point you want to make then clearly as sales show rim is losing that game. so if there's no difference between consumer interest in operating systems and nobody really knows what they're buying, why have RIM's marketshare, sales, oversea sales, usa sales, and stock slid in a dramatic fashion over the past year?

the POINT was that this device isn't going to look different to consumers, and if someone who doesn't know anything about phones goes in and says 'how is this different from the blackberry i have already" that i'm not sure there's really an answer for that, but there are plenty of other phones with more features they can be introduced to.

seeing as how the original topic was are these phones going to be updated in the future, i think responding appropriately that they likely won't be is entirely valid and can't be pushed aside with 'well nobody updates their phones' argument.

There is HUGE differences in this phone and the blackberries that are out now. I could walk in with my 9650, Style, Tour or Curve and ask what is so different between what I have now and this. If they knew even the slightest about the phones they carried they would know that there are major differences and definitely worth the upgrade.

**katiepea** · 05-02-2011, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by FigureThisOut

Which is true. But your argument is that they can't and you seem to want that
to be the final answer and would rather nobody discusses anything further.

i'll discuss it all day man, ****, i want nothing more than RIM to succeed, believe me any negative thought's are merely meant as a kick in the *** for RIM i just don't want to see them go under. i don't like RIM being subpar, i don't like that they announce these new phones and wall streets reaction is 'why are you acting like nothing is wrong' and the stock falls.

i don't think my side is the end all be all

**albee 1** · 05-02-2011, 08:36 PM

Guys I'm buying one regardless if it will be QNX compatible or not. The new line is a huge upgrade from anything they have ever built. Not gonna miss out. There are people still happily rockin 8310's for gods sake!

and the point that many people do not buy phones for their Os's is accurate. There are many BB owners that don't even know you can change themes. Like I said before, I'm not missing out on this new release. It's tooooo sweet!

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**1812dave** · 05-02-2011, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by albee 1

Guys I'm buying one regardless if it will be QNX compatible or not. The new line is a huge upgrade from anything they have ever built. Not gonna miss out. There are people still happily rockin 8310's for gods sake!

and the point that many people do not buy phones for their Os's is accurate. There are many BB owners that don't even know you can change themes. Like I said before, I'm not missing out on this new release. It's tooooo sweet!

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Name five must-have new features of BB OS7.

In fact, I'll make it easier on you--name me just three must-have features not currently available on any BB phone currently.

Yes?? What's that you say? You can't name them?? Dang! I KNEW it!!

EDIT: I'm not asking what people WANT--I'm asking if anyone KNOWS what features are coming in OS7. There's quite a difference!

**MissJennell#IM** · 05-02-2011, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by dave1812

Name five must-have new features of BB OS7.

In fact, I'll make it easier on you--name me just three must-have features not currently available on any BB phone currently.

Yes?? What's that you say? You can't name them?? Dang! I KNEW it!!

Must have features is pretty subjective. But alright.

1) Touchscreen with the infamous blackberry keyboard.
2) Better processor
3) More space
4) Thinner and lighter
5) Better overall experience

**1812dave** · 05-02-2011, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by MissJennell

Must have features is pretty subjective. But alright.

1) Touchscreen with the infamous blackberry keyboard.
2) Better processor
3) More space
4) Thinner and lighter
5) Better overall experience

LOL! You totally misunderstood me.

I want to know what features are IN OS7 that are "must have" features. I don't want to know what you WANT in OS7. heck, I could rattle off 40 things I'd LIKE to see in it.

**MissJennell#IM** · 05-02-2011, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by dave1812

LOL! You totally misunderstood me.

I want to know what features are IN OS7 that are "must have" features. I don't want to know what you WANT in OS7. heck, I could rattle off 40 things I'd LIKE to see in it.

Those aren't what I want. They are (all but #5) actual things in the bold touch OS 7. They are all features that are 'must haves' to me in this phone.

**gravymonster** · 05-02-2011, 10:29 PM

Some sort of patch to disable those epic failure of a concept we call "trays" on the homescreen is really not too much to ask. Id be content if that was the sole feature of a 6.1 release and then they could do whatever they wanted with 7 and other devices.

**southlander** · 05-02-2011, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by Seijuro

because 9900/9930 (OS 7) looks awesome?
many people, including myself, will do it like this:
1 year 9900/9930 -> QNX phones

why would we NOT buy a OS 7 phone would have been a better question

Agreed. Plus, who is to say the first round of QNX phones will be as polished as BBOS7?

**southlander** · 05-02-2011, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by MissJennell

Must have features is pretty subjective. But alright.

1) Touchscreen with the infamous blackberry keyboard.
2) Better processor
3) More space
4) Thinner and lighter
5) Better overall experience

6) Considerably faster browser
7) 60 fps screen refresh for more responsive feel

**MissJennell#IM** · 05-02-2011, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by gravymonster

Some sort of patch to disable those epic failure of a concept we call "trays" on the homescreen is really not too much to ask. Id be content if that was the sole feature of a 6.1 release and then they could do whatever they wanted with 7 and other devices.

"Don't like all that homescreen left and right scrolling? You can easily disable it and go back to the BlackBerry 5 style of homescreen"

That is taken from the write up part of the walkthrough video for this phone on the home page.

**albee 1** · 05-02-2011, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by dave1812

Name five must-have new features of BB OS7.

In fact, I'll make it easier on you--name me just three must-have features not currently available on any BB phone currently.

Yes?? What's that you say? You can't name them?? Dang! I KNEW it!!

Can't comment on an OS no one has seen. But how about a 1.2 gig snapdragon processor, 768 mb of RAM, 5 meg Camera, 720p HD video. Dude, do you not know how to google?

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**joeldf** · 05-02-2011, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by gravymonster

Some sort of patch to disable those epic failure of a concept we call "trays" on the homescreen is really not too much to ask. Id be content if that was the sole feature of a 6.1 release and then they could do whatever they wanted with 7 and other devices.

That's pretty much all I was asking for in my post as well. That and the newer icon set. I don't see why they can't at least do that much for existing 6.0 devices.

It would be nice to give those of us who can't just go out and buy the latest and greatest at the drop of a hat something to relieve us of the flippin' trays.

When I had my Pearl 8100, it at least went from 4.2 to 4.5.

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**1812dave** · 05-02-2011, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by albee 1

Can't comment on an OS no one has seen. But how about a 1.2 gig snapdragon processor, 768 mb of RAM, 5 meg Camera, 720p HD video. Dude, do you not know how to google?

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I already know the OS's features aren't known. That was my entire point. sigh...

**hispanola** · 05-03-2011, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by dave1812

Name five must-have new features of BB OS7.

In fact, I'll make it easier on you--name me just three must-have features not currently available on any BB phone currently.

Yes?? What's that you say? You can't name them?? Dang! I KNEW it!!

I have to agree with you there. While I think the improved experience is great and essential to BB's future, I don't see much else on these new models that are must haves. Better yet, let me put it like this. Outside of NFC (not dying to use it), liquid graphics and the fast processor, I don't see anything with OS 7, that cant be given to OS 6 devices. Wifi Hotspots, new icons, tray disability and the like can be given as an upgrade (OS 7 Lite) and that's all I am seeking.

I previously had an Curve 8530 which was quite an upgrade from the 8330 (just trackpad alone). I was upset that it wouldn't be upgradable to OS 6, but I understood that it wasn't possible due to the new chipset being used in the new handhelds and increased memory footprint (which required more ram on newer models). I thought it was smart on RIMs part to allow the Bold and Curve to be upgradable to OS 6 (though it actuality they should have been released with OS 6 and I feel that they weren't only to allow the Torch to shine as the flagship device). That being said, I will not upgrade to OS 7 devices when I know that QNX (OS 8?) devices will be released next year and the OS 7 devices won't be upgradable to the new OS. Some of us 'enthusiasts' will be new devices just because they are new and want the latest and greatest. Some of us won't. It's the same 'some' who didn't purchase the 1st Apple iPad because they knew there would be a new version within a year that would have a camera. And speaking of Apple, they are the trendsetter in the mobile platform world. And as such when they do something, consumers expect other manufactures/devices to do the same. Apple supports their devices with upgrades for more then a year. The iPhone 3GS is getting the same iOS updates that the iPhone 4 is getting (minus that which requires iPhone specific hardware). RIM not providing future OS updates (OS 7 lite) to the OS 6 devices will only alienate some of their core users. Again, there are many OS 7 features that seem capable of running on OS 6 devices. Provide them to us.

**jlb21** · 05-03-2011, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by MissJennell

ALL phones are outdated before the contract is up. And most of the really informed phone buyers aren't going to keep a phone for the full contract.

I do. My Tour/Bold (Tour was replaced by VZW for a Bold) will be at 2 years in two days. I will get the 9930 and keep it for contract period. By that time, perhaps...perhaps, I'll have LTE in my neck of the woods.....

**MissJennell#IM** · 05-03-2011, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by jlb21

I do. My Tour/Bold (Tour was replaced by VZW for a Bold) will be at 2 years in two days. I will get the 9930 and keep it for contract period. By that time, perhaps...perhaps, I'll have LTE in my neck of the woods.....

I never said ALL of the more informed people....

**avt123** · 05-03-2011, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by papped

You mean carriers/manufacturers right... And if the bootloader is locked and the manufacturer doesn't release the updates, it doesnt matter if the base ROM exists!

Bootloaders being locked does not prevent installing a custom ROM, which adds new features (including OS upgrades) and other things. Locked bootloaders only prevent a real custom recovery and custom kernel.

**Blacklac** · 05-03-2011, 12:45 PM

1 OS and done isn't really a new thing. Pretty much how its been for a while. Those 9700 owners with OS6 basically got a gift on that one.

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**DenverRalphy** · 05-03-2011, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by dave1812

Name five must-have new features of BB OS7.

In fact, I'll make it easier on you--name me just three must-have features not currently available on any BB phone currently.

Yes?? What's that you say? You can't name them?? Dang! I KNEW it!!

Much better browser
HD Video Capture
WiFi Hotspot
Blackberry Balance <--- Great addition there
Better use of the GPU <--- Not a user accessed feature per se, but a feature nonetheless.