Z10 a downgrade from 9900?
Okay, without trying to sound like a troll, what was BlackBerry thinking?
We get QNX, a device with good specs, and all sorts of goodies. But from my understanding, they just got rid of most of the things that make a BlackBerry a BlackBerry.
1. No BIS
Sure, it makes things slower. It also encrypts, compresses and makes data usage by type untrackable (hence so many "unlimited" BIS plans). I would happily trade speed for unlimited data, and in Australia, it's the only unlimited data option (which also extends to my playbook, love it).
2. No push email
IMAP-IDLE is not push. And as far as I can tell, neither is active sync. IMAP-IDLE (and I believe active sync) keeps a connection open which gives the illusion of push, but actually just kills battery life. The only way to do true push is to have your carrier track your phone and pass messages (hence device PINs).
3. No customized notifications
As of yet (and I'm hoping BeBuzz or similar fixes this soon), there is no way to change the LED colour by message type, or customize sound notifications. Also in this category is bedside mode. Disabling all notifications isn't an option for many of us, we need a loud ring profile for certain calls or messages, but don't want to be woken needlessly.
4. App permission customization
Basic app permissions are there, but not the awesome extended permissions of OS7. This is one of the major reasons I still use a BlackBerry. I am overly paranoid when it comes to cloud services in general. I can customize exactly what any app can access, right down to the URLs if I really care to. Android tells you what an app will use, if you don't like it, don't install it, and iOS doesn't even bother. To be fair, the BB10 does allow some control. Although not as granular as OS7, it still beats the competition as you can disable access (except for Android-based apps, which will just close, sticking with Android's model).
5. Multiple message selection
The latest touchscreen phones (9800 and 9900 at least) got it right. You can use two-finger selection to selection multiple messages. Either by touching the first and last email at the same time, or touching one email with two fingers and scrolling to the last one. Somehow this was removed in favour of the PlayBook way of selection multiple messages which involves a context menu and selection emails one by one. I can select 10+ messages in a fraction of the time on my 9900 that it takes me on my PlayBook, surely they picked the wrong experience.
6. Magnet detection
Edit: I misread someone else's post, only the holster profiles have been removed it seems, locking and unlocking should still work.
Apparently the holster detection has been removed. So one of the best features of BlackBerries that has been around for ages is now gone. The ability to unholster and automatically have the phone unlocked and the last message opened, or a call answered was amazing. Not to mention when it was holstered, you never had to worry about buttons being pressed or anything else, the phone was locked regardless of what happened to it. Profiles while holstered I didn't use too much, because it was always holstered for me, but I'm sure some people used it and are sad to see that removed as well.
Overall, it just seems like BlackBerry is so focused on getting more market share that they are willing to remove features that alienate their current users. These were things that no one else had, and kept me on an outdated device which I quite viciously defended for the above reasons (as well as the physical keyboard, but that's a non-issue). It's great that we're getting some apps we've been trying to get for ages, the OS in general looks great, the browser looks fast and generally amazing, but I think they're forgetting what set them apart from the competition for the last few years. There are reasons people stayed, and if they start getting rid of them, people will be going to Android and iOS (or WP8 or Sailfish or Ubuntu phone).
Of course, I am going entirely of mixed reviews and these forums. If anyone has more accurate information on these points, please let me know, I would be happy to shorten this list.
Edit: Points 5 and 6
Last edited by Xiaclo; 02-13-2013 at 09:16 PM.
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- CrackBerry Genius
01-31-2013, 12:46 AM #3
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There are some positives. By switching to BB10, we'll get a device that is (hopefully) just as capable as the older BlackBerrys in terms of communication, but with a more modern OS that won't have us dealing with memory leaks, restarts when deleting or updating apps, or occasional battery pulls. Plus, there will obviously be software updates that may restore some of the older functionality.Blatant placeholder signature.
- CrackBerry Genius
01-31-2013, 01:02 AM #4
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Divorcing themselves from BIS was necessary for RIM to expand on their consumer offerings. BB needs to do something about the developing nations, but frankly with LTE speeds and Gb data plans, it makes no sense to have BIS anymore. I'm not sure who came up with "It's not push email anymore" type non-sense. RIM's done an ActiveSync implementation, but it still pushes emails to your device, just not the way they did it before. The OLD way of getting emails, while data efficient, placed a HUGE risk on RIM/BB because if something goes wrong, they'll have a giant outage like they did in 2011. A system designed for 2G networks shouldn't be used when the whole world's moved on.
Yes, it creates a single point of failure. Yes, it can cause major outages and people get very upset. For me at least, I am willing to accept these tradeoffs because I understand how it works, and why they have chosen that route.
- 01-31-2013, 03:30 AM #9
OP: a good read!
Although some points you mentioned are no so crucial, then altogether you put in words something that sits in my mind.
Some things are more important, some less, and of course it all depends on the user. For me the application permissions are more important then holster profiles. BIS service is absolutely no. 1
In the view of what OS10 can, and can't do, I'd say I over-abuse the ability of my 9900 to customize the profiles. When I am in the office, the phone would ring, notify me of an SMS, but I don't care for certain email accounts notifications as I have them on my PC. And I mute my BBMs.
Oh well, I will stick to my 9900 for the time being, and observe the situation with Z10, and the OS updates I might get tempted after all
Or maybe even better: I will finally win one in one of the "100%-to-come contests" here on CB
- CrackBerry Abuser
01-31-2013, 04:50 AM #10
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Brand new O/S, we need to remember that. Remember how terrible Android 2.0 was? It was not good compared to Android 4.1. It will take some time and we should be patient. I think Rim did great and we are stating with an "Android 3.0" and should quickly get to 4.0 if you get my analogy.
My 2c's anyways...BB 9900 (Telus)
BB Playbook 32GB
The difference between BB10 and Android 2.0 is that BlackBerry has already had experience in this market. It's not a new OS from a new company and we are comparing it to the competition. This is the same company, and we are comparing it to the exact OS and devices it is supposed to be replacing. The new features are nice, but if they don't maintain feature parity with OS7, people have no reason to stay with BlackBerry. Let's go through the new features shall we?
Okay, nice to show off, and nice in theory, but when do you really need it? A phone screen (with the exception of some of the massive Samsungs) doesn't have room to actually multitask. This is why it isn't even a big point on iOS to not have it. You can have multiple apps open, and switch between them easily on all major platforms, you don't really need any more than that.
Below the custom design, the predictive text engine and key hotzones are just swiftkey, which is already available on Android. There is also alternatives for some people like Swype, or even a physical keyboard (although not as nice as the 9900 or the Q10 I'm sure).
This is one of the nicer features, but with proper notifications, it isn't needed (for me at least). It's nice to show new messages with a single gesture, but BlackBerry isn't the only one that can do this.
Since BIS has been removed, the only alternative for many of the features is BES10. But wait, there is now mobile fusion. So explain why I don't just buy an Android and use mobile fusion with that.
Instragram for filters, and some of the new Androids also have burst modes, although not as sleek of an interface.
These features are small to some, and for brand loyalty and hope, people are buying the new devices, and I will be too. But if there is no longer any major differences, why should we be going with BlackBerry? Android 4.1 is already here, why should we wait for BB11 and hope the features we want get included? Or an even better question is, if you already have an Android 4.1, why should you switch?
- CrackBerry Abuser
01-31-2013, 03:42 PM #12
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Current Iphone and Android customers are ok with there emails and besides my playbook unbridged gets my emails usually the same time as my 9900. As long as they are staying on the phone not reloaded everytime and limited like the others it'll be fine for most
They are also okay with fake multitasking, autocorrect, crappy touchscreen keyboards and a slew of other flaws we haven't had to put up with. In that case, might as well just get an iPhone, millions of people are okay with theirs, surely we would be too.
- 01-31-2013, 06:44 PM #16
those are some valid points, i've always been worried about the Blackberry's ability to break through the huge wall put up by iOS and Android. Simply put, there is no reason for anyone on those platforms to choose the BB phone, and for new consumers, BB is almost a non factor. Apps and the overall eco-system drive the smartphone arena now, and unfortunately BB doesn't have either. Yeah sure we get some apps, but its not enough to sway a consumer towards the blackberry. And in all honesty, i don't know how or even if this can be overcome.
- CrackBerry Genius of Geniuses
01-31-2013, 07:08 PM #18
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As for the app permissions asked about earlier, they are still there, if anything they are better as it clearly says what enables what. imo they are better explained than BBOS ones
edit: heres the permissions that show (this was for a sports tracker app)
Last edited by BBThemes; 01-31-2013 at 07:30 PM.
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