[Joltcola1234]

I agree RIM Missed the boat and should have had a touchscreen device for the mass consumer base, but you know what, not everyone is a content consumer, I produce as much content as I consume if not more, SO my PRIMARY needs are typing, every time I pick up my phone I'm starting to type right away, I'm not waiting for the keyboard to launch, so I can type,

I know I'm not in the Majority, but RIM has MANY things I don't like, but the Keyboard trumps every one of them, ALL of the things that I have only given a few weeks to but due to the loss of keyboard functionality found them inferior I'd no longer have that sitting over my head.

Windows Phone has FAR MORE to offer me than BBOS10 does or any other OS for that matter, so when the form factor is nullified, then why stay with BlackBerry?

RIM DOES Need an All touch, but to abandon their bread and butter clients is foolish, and because people have learned to like their touchscreens does not make them better, or mean everyone wants to, I like the cushion of a key, just as I am picky with my laptop keyboards and wont be moving to a tablet to replace my laptop my phone is the same,

Some people who type only in 1 language, and who don't type a lot of numbers will find swype can make up for their lack of a keyboard, and the non latin alphabets will greatly benefit from the touchscreen keyboard, it is an Important demographic, but it isn't the ONLY demographic. and RIM is not in the position to be a 1 phone to rule them all player in the market, Apple owns that, and I don't care how good the first BB10 device is, Apple has to mess up something huge to ruin their reputation that would allow RIM to be a company with 1 option and be successful.

I actually don't think that RIM should abandon the keyboard, but I don't think it should be the focus with BB10 like it is now. Blackberry needs to market and support touch screen phones, that is what the majority of people want. I understand that you feel you need the keyboard, but the mass consumer does not. It goes back to my point of "the same ol' Blackberry". If RIM doesn't understand that it cannot continue to ONLY produce for its long time customers who want keyboards, Blackberry 10 is not going to keep it afloat. I also don't think RIM should be a one phone pony, that is not what I was getting at.

Also, how can you say that Windows Phone has more to offer then Blackberry 10? We don't know much about BB10 other then rumors, so that statement doesn't make sense to me.

[sleepngbear]

I actually don't think that RIM should abandon the keyboard, but I don't think it should be the focus with BB10 like it is now. Blackberry needs to market and support touch screen phones, that is what the majority of people want. I understand that you feel you need the keyboard, but the mass consumer does not. It goes back to my point of "the same ol' Blackberry". If RIM doesn't understand that it cannot continue to ONLY produce for its long time customers who want keyboards, Blackberry 10 is not going to keep it afloat. I also don't think RIM should be a one phone pony, that is not what I was getting at.

Also, how can you say that Windows Phone has more to offer then Blackberry 10? We don't know much about BB10 other then rumors, so that statement doesn't make sense to me.

Given that the first BB10 phone will be all touch, it seems this point is already decided. RIM knows this is what the majority of consumers want. Two things remain to be seen: will consumers gravitate to all-touch BlackBerry in any kind of significant numbers, and will RIM continue to cater to their current loyal customer base?

[Joltcola1234]

Given that the first BB10 phone will be all touch, it seems this point is already decided. RIM knows this is what the majority of consumers want. Two things remain to be seen: will consumers gravitate to all-touch BlackBerry in any kind of significant numbers, and will RIM continue to cater to their current loyal customer base?

RIM could have already scored with the 9860 and os7, it is a solid device. But instead they choose to put "Be Bold" advertisements out pointing out the (supposed) limitations to touch screen devices.

The advertising and marketing for the current os7 devices is deplorable. RIM acts like the 9860 doesn't even exist, how else can you explain such terrible marketing? It makes me worried for future releases.

[_StephenBB81]

I actually don't think that RIM should abandon the keyboard, but I don't think it should be the focus with BB10 like it is now. Blackberry needs to market and support touch screen phones, that is what the majority of people want. I understand that you feel you need the keyboard, but the mass consumer does not. It goes back to my point of "the same ol' Blackberry". If RIM doesn't understand that it cannot continue to ONLY produce for its long time customers who want keyboards, Blackberry 10 is not going to keep it afloat. I also don't think RIM should be a one phone pony, that is not what I was getting at.

Also, how can you say that Windows Phone has more to offer then Blackberry 10? We don't know much about BB10 other then rumors, so that statement doesn't make sense to me.

Though I post far too much to make it a realistic statement, but if you look at my post history about this subject I say I wont buy a BB10 until it has a keyboard, but strategically RIM needs to launch the all touch BB10 first, that is the market they need in the USA, and that is the form factor needed for the Asia growth markets,

that doesn't mean I have to want it or buy it, It is what is best for RIM, but also what is best for RIM is to find a way to cater to their existing following, while building a new following, and the Keyboard is something they are known for.



Now it is EASY for me to say Windows phone offers more than BB10, Windows phone offers me Excel, REAL excel, not the crappy version that BBOS, iOS, Android have, but real Excel, that alone says that once my Keyboard is gone, and I start exploring other OS's those in my friend/family circle who are only with BlackBerry for the Keyboards will also be exploring so I'll adopt a NON BBM IM client, and BBM wont be a factor any longer.

[_StephenBB81]

RIM could have already scored with the 9860 and os7, it is a solid device. But instead they choose to put "Be Bold" advertisements out pointing out the (supposed) limitations to touch screen devices.

The advertising and marketing for the current os7 devices is deplorable. RIM acts like the 9860 doesn't even exist, how else can you explain such terrible marketing? It makes me worried for future releases.

RIM's advertising had to be targeted to NOT being a Me too product

The BeBold slogan is better than a "carry a torch" slogan, though I do think they should have run with it for a bit,

The Bold form factor gives RIM something none of the other players have, now RIM is wasting that with all around crap advertising, but the best Marketing and branding strategy was the BeBold method

[kill_9]

Given I bought the BlackBerry PlayBook when it was initially released, I will probably spring for a BlackBerry smartphone running BBX/BB10/BBiX. This presupposes the smartphone is akin to the Blackberry Blade prototype or similar with a permanent keyboard.

[kill_9]

Bought a 9860 on release date, but will jump to the new bbx10 device as soon as it is available....it will be the perfect match for my PB

As much as I like the BlackBerry Torch 9860 I found it too heavy for an always on my person smartphone. Hopefully, the next generation smartphones are light-weight without sacrificing the user-replaceable battery.

[kill_9]

First have to assess a number of important factors:

1. Will my firm support it. We currently support BB, iOS (3G+), and Android. Note no WP. We'll have to assess BB10 admin/security tools to make sure they meet our minimal standards (iOS before 3G did not, current WP does not).
2. Will it still provide the features/functions of current BBOS that separates it from Android/iOS - the features/functions that have stopped me from switching up to this point.
3. Absent #2, will it introduce must have features/functions that Android/iOS don't have that will make it impossible to ignore.

If the answer to #1 is "No", then no, I will not be getting it.
If the answer to #1 is "yes", and ##s 2 and 3 "No", then no, I will not be getting it.
If the answer to #1 is "yes, #2 "No", and #3 "Yes", then I will seriously have to consider it.
Finally, if the answer to #1 is "Yes", #2 is "Yes", the whether #3 is "Yes" or "No", I'll probably get it.

confusing enough?

You must be on the committee responsible for formulating the logic section and games section questions for the LSAT examination aren't you?

[BBThemes]

when i got my Bold 9900 (and my other line as a Bold 9790) i made sure i was on one year plans so i would have it timed right for my upgrade(s)

[CJH315]

Yes, i will need to. Ive been holding on to my upgrade since last November. My 9800 has become a little long in the tooth but she's holding on. i usually upgrade every time it comes around, but i didnt want to drop it on another phone and have to pay full price for a BB10 phone so im trapped until then. *Im loving the new Bold and if it wasnt for the upcoming BB10 device(s), id be on one like flies on P00P! LOL
Sent from my BlackBerry 9800

[Joltcola1234]

RIM's advertising had to be targeted to NOT being a Me too product

The BeBold slogan is better than a "carry a torch" slogan, though I do think they should have run with it for a bit,

The Bold form factor gives RIM something none of the other players have, now RIM is wasting that with all around crap advertising, but the best Marketing and branding strategy was the BeBold method

Yes, a good method, that they failed to execute.

"Hey, we have a touch screen device that is pretty solid, that we are struggling to sell because nobody knows it exists. Lets insult it while showing off the Bold!"

Pretty good strategy for sure.

[_StephenBB81]

Yes, a good method, that they failed to execute.

"Hey, we have a touch screen device that is pretty solid, that we are struggling to sell because nobody knows it exists. Lets insult it while showing off the Bold!"

Pretty good strategy for sure.

The Strategy is to focus on their unique qualities,

They BOMBED with that, their marketing team didn't focus on features,

RIM should have done things differently, they still don't get marketing

[Joltcola1234]

The Strategy is to focus on their unique qualities,

They BOMBED with that, their marketing team didn't focus on features,

RIM should have done things differently, they still don't get marketing

Yep, the marketing is such a disaster.

[Villain]

naw... I bought a 9900 thinking it was RIM going to finally get with the times.



this time around RIM will have to do lots of proving

[jstarett]

My contract was up in January 12th. I am waiting for the BB10's to come out to see if:

1) I want to stay with RIM
2) Decide if I am staying with big blue or go to big red!

[_StephenBB81]

My contract was up in January 12th. I am waiting for the BB10's to come out to see if:

1) I want to stay with RIM
2) Decide if I am staying with big blue or go to big red!

That is a wonderful place to be!

getting to pick your Carrier, I learned SOOOO much more about the Big 3 Carriers in Canada when I was in this position at the time to buy the Torch 9800,
I learned about roll out plan, tower locations, coverage maps and plans,
and pricing options moving forward.

spend these next few months really digging into the Carriers plans for your area, and the areas you travel too, you'd be surprised how much info you can get out during research

[jonty12]

You must be on the committee responsible for formulating the logic section and games section questions for the LSAT examination aren't you?

and note I edited my original post for "easier reading".

[craiggger]

Yes, Right away. Doesn't matter if its full touch screen or bold form factor but i would prefer a bold form factor with an even bigger screen than the 9900. Bigger keys would be fine too.

15% larger than the bold 9900 but same setup would be great.

And a forward facing camera is key. Video chat integration on BBM could save the blackberry brand IMO.

My playbook could be snappier to be honest, so i hope that the first bb10 device would have better specs than the playbook. However, a smaller screen on the first bb10 phone would require less resources and could be faster if shrunken.

I hope HDMI is built in too.

[Plazmic Flame]

If they only release a device that is all touchscreen, No.

If they release a device with a keyboard in the Bold 9900 form factor, yes.
(Has to be 3.5 inches tall at least...)

[kdna]

The BB10 needs to have a usable keyboard. I imagine two possibilities for the keyboard: full qwerty physical keyboard, or full screen virtual keyboard.

Thank you.

[gravymonster]

I have two lines.. One is ready for an upgrade now and one is due in August. So I can get the "London" or whatever the day it comes out and play with it until the "real" BlackBerry comes out (i.e. the one with a keyboard).

[mtint]

All my phones are off-contracts. Right now all family,well - our husky still resists to get a smartphone, on BlackBerry and I guess we will keep on that line.

Getting BB10 - YES,
Right away - not sure ... If Bold or something close to the Blade (concept) BB10 comes out ... I am after it.

[glassofpinot]

Probably not, unless it has some compelling benefit other than just better. My Torch is not yet a year old and doing fine. A 3-6 month wait will also give any isues a chance to settle out before I upgrade.
But that's my style.

[CDM76]

The Strategy is to focus on their unique qualities,

They BOMBED with that, their marketing team didn't focus on features,

RIM should have done things differently, they still don't get marketing

I saw ANOTHER BeBold commercial tonight and couldn't help but wonder why RIM doesn't outsource their marketing ? It might cost more but it would certainly be better ( can't get ANY worse ) !!!

[omniusovermind]

I'm not sure yet. I'm waiting to see what the BB10 and WP8 are both like when they come out. They're both being released pretty close together

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