[grahamf]

Aside from not being dual-core, the high end devices should all be capable of running BB10. So why not? Doing that would be in incredibly awesome act of goodwill that can only help RIM.

[Phill_UK]

No, they won't.

[_StephenBB81]

They have said they require dual core, presumably it means they have made core functions of the OS require multithreading AND they don't want to risk a bad name for the OS by it under performing on older hardware

I could see them releasing BB10 for some OS7 devices a year after release as a fresh update and it be called BB10 lite, but that is the only way I'd see them doing it

[alexandros2011]

aint happening bro....

[Jeovex]

yea sorry but it wont. i have a 9810 but i knew they were never going to be updated, waiting for BB10 and maybe ill get a 3 year contract (currently on a family plan)

[phoreoneone]

there a TON of threads like this.
its been said before bb10 devices need dual core processors


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[grahamf]

They have said they require dual core, presumably it means they have made core functions of the OS require multithreading AND they don't want to risk a bad name for the OS by it under performing on older hardware

I could see them releasing BB10 for some OS7 devices a year after release as a fresh update and it be called BB10 lite, but that is the only way I'd see them doing it

Like maybe BB9?

It seems every new generation RIM comes out with they essentially drop support for the previous gen. OS 6 devices don't get OS 7, and now OS 7 devices won't get BB10?

[_StephenBB81]

Like maybe BB9?

It seems every new generation RIM comes out with they essentially drop support for the previous gen. OS 6 devices don't get OS 7, and now OS 7 devices won't get BB10?

BB7 added a new hardware requirement with a GPU
BB10 added a new hardware element of multi processor

there are not many new elements to be added, nor should their be any major overhauls for a good number of years after the first gen BB10, we should see Apple/Android like OS backporting moving from BB10 forward

[UrbanGlowCam]

BB7 added a new hardware requirement with a GPU
BB10 added a new hardware element of multi processor

there are not many new elements to be added, nor should their be any major overhauls for a good number of years after the first gen BB10, we should see Apple/Android like OS backporting moving from BB10 forward

On the money Stephen

[_StephenBB81]

On the money Stephen

Sometimes very very rarely I rise above my pretty face and have a good contribution to the forums,

the rest of the time I'm just eye candy

[ffejrobins30]

Like maybe BB9?

It seems every new generation RIM comes out with they essentially drop support for the previous gen. OS 6 devices don't get OS 7, and now OS 7 devices won't get BB10?

Actually lot of OS5 devices got updates to OS6, my 9700 included. Even with this, people complained that OS6 ran poorly on them and should never have been released. People will find anything to complain about, even if it's what they wanted.

It's already been stated that none of the current JVM powered devices will be upgraded to the QNX platform...many times.

[_StephenBB81]

Actually lot of OS5 devices got updates to OS6, my 9700 included. Even with this, people complained that OS6 ran poorly on them and should never have been released. People will find anything to complain about, even if it's what they wanted.

It's already been stated that none of the current JVM powered devices will be upgraded to the QNX platform...many times.

That is always a risk with back porting, devices, you give a bad image of your new OS to someone because they have hardware that doesn't quite support it.

the iPhone3GS gets iOS5, but it does not run like it does on the iPhone4S.
RIM needs to hit BB10 out of the park, it needs OS5,6,7 users to want to ditch their device and buy a NEW device to catch the wave of excitement, you don't want to keep them "happy" with a sub standard BB10 on their OS7 device, they need all the bells and whistles, and RIM needs hardware sales

[r0v3rT3N]

Aside from not being dual-core, the high end devices should all be capable of running BB10. So why not? Doing that would be in incredibly awesome act of goodwill that can only help RIM.

No, I doubt it. Last I heard QNX NEEDS dual-core or more to run their devices...

[addicted44]

They have said they require dual core, presumably it means they have made core functions of the OS require multithreading AND they don't want to risk a bad name for the OS by it under performing on older hardware

I could see them releasing BB10 for some OS7 devices a year after release as a fresh update and it be called BB10 lite, but that is the only way I'd see them doing it

And the support costs of maintaining BB10 on the weaker devices would also be tremendous.

The only way it will work is if RIM designed BB10 for the weaker, single core devices, and then also ran it on the more powerful devices. It is almost impossible to go the other way, and always more expensive.

[_StephenBB81]

And the support costs of maintaining BB10 on the weaker devices would also be tremendous.

The only way it will work is if RIM designed BB10 for the weaker, single core devices, and then also ran it on the more powerful devices. It is almost impossible to go the other way, and always more expensive.

The costs would be no greater than maintaining the BBOS7 OS base,

RIM could EOL OS6 and OS7 sooner by moving OS7 devices to a BB10 lite, after BB10 has achieved some adoption among the Early adopters, and the wait a bit and see buyers. then they inject some good faith with a limited BB10 to BBOS7 devices with the plan that OS7 will no longer be supported, transferring support costs from BB7 to BB10 lite, and theoretically sharing costs with the new device line up.

As a consumer I sure would enjoy my back up devices to move to BB10 Lite, but from a business perspective I really just can't see how RIM in their current state could truly justify the cost of back porting as it does very little if anything to help them generate income, where new device sales are their primary source.

[sleepngbear]

The costs would be no greater than maintaining the BBOS7 OS base,

RIM could EOL OS6 and OS7 sooner by moving OS7 devices to a BB10 lite, after BB10 has achieved some adoption among the Early adopters, and the wait a bit and see buyers. then they inject some good faith with a limited BB10 to BBOS7 devices with the plan that OS7 will no longer be supported, transferring support costs from BB7 to BB10 lite, and theoretically sharing costs with the new device line up.

Actually, I might not want them to do this. It still remains to be seen if I'd like BB10 over BB7 on a handheld. It could turn out that I want the option of staying with this antiquated, obsolete OS. I honestly hope they plan on supporting BB7 for quite some time, as I've yet to see anything from BB10 screaming that I have to have it yesterday.

[BoldPreza]

Like maybe BB9?

It seems every new generation RIM comes out with they essentially drop support for the previous gen. OS 6 devices don't get OS 7, and now OS 7 devices won't get BB10?

While this is not always the case RIM is not the only company whose products don't directly upgrade. There is a decent generation gap between OS6/7 in terms of processor in particular.

Also, they still do updates on the old platforms as I was still getting updates on my OS 5 and 6 platforms. Obviously not as many as OS 7 but they do still update them.

[_StephenBB81]

Actually, I might not want them to do this. It still remains to be seen if I'd like BB10 over BB7 on a handheld. It could turn out that I want the option of staying with this antiquated, obsolete OS. I honestly hope they plan on supporting BB7 for quite some time, as I've yet to see anything from BB10 screaming that I have to have it yesterday.

You don't HAVE to upgrade

but if RIM is to EOL BB7 and bring a BB10 Lite to devices, that ran with BB7 and that would speed up development and execution of Native BlackBerry Apps like BBM, App World, Twitter etc, then I would be all for it,

No one forces you to upgrade your OS every time, so you could stick with an older version, just not get the newest apps

[southlander]

While I am pretty sure it is technically feasible, from a business perspective there's no reason for rim to support bb10 on Os 7 devices. It just stretches their resources which are already thin. Imagine all the support calls rim would get from people that nuked their phones trying to install bb10.


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[southlander]

Now. What I would like to see *after* bb10 is out is for rim to release a bb classic app player that would allow people to run old os4 5 6 and 7 apps on qnx. Kinda like Microsoft did with the xp mode on windows 7.

I do not think that will occur though.

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[_StephenBB81]

While I am pretty sure it is technically feasible, from a business perspective there's no reason for rim to support bb10 on Os 7 devices. It just stretches their resources which are already thin. Imagine all the support calls rim would get from people that nuked their phones trying to install bb10.


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I think as an after release it could work, like 12-18 months after BB10 is launched moving BB7 devices to BB10 to increase devices able to access apps, and bolster app purchasing, while reducing development time for core apps.


Will they do it? probably not, it really only would be a good idea if BB10 is actually a hit, and they want to shift the large user base in lower GDP nations to BB10 using their existing devices,

[southlander]

I think as an after release it could work, like 12-18 months after BB10 is launched moving BB7 devices to BB10 to increase devices able to access apps, and bolster app purchasing, while reducing development time for core apps.





Will they do it? probably not, it really only would be a good idea if BB10 is actually a hit, and they want to shift the large user base in lower GDP nations to BB10 using their existing devices,

Agreed. If rim has a hit with bb10 there will be all kinds of "room" for them to show some goodwill to the older devices. Until then though, its all hands on deck to just get bb10 done and out.

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