I suppose my biggest concern (Amazon manufactured BB10 powered smart phones) would be Amazon selling price under cutting RIM manufactured BB10 powered smart phones. Can/does the Amazon ecosystem balance that out or could that be a potential neg net for RIM.
There are those who speculate Lab126 does not have the depth of knowledge to pull it off alone, hence a JV with RIM, or another for all we know, would be a logical route. Again "air bag activated phones" tosses a monkey wrench into logic,lol.
- 12-29-2012, 11:05 AM #27
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- 12-29-2012, 11:26 AM #29
This brings anyone who has a BB phone sold by RIM - marketed by RIM - in a market Amazon supports (they are not worldwide), into their system buying stuff, videos, prime memberships, music, magazines, all the profitable side of their business, without any build out by them. Amazon already does a big part of this with iOS, without any support from Apple (which they would never get). Why not just work with RIM and say RIM has EVERYTHING we (amazon) have in a one stop place. Amazon certified BB10 smartphone, designed and sold by RIM. win/win no?
Agree Amazon just wants the eyeballs,hence Fire etc. selling at or below cost. They have made overtures about getting into the smart phone market, I would presume for more eyeballs, it's those darn margins though, I would think that would preclude any JV as not a ++. So as you say offering the BB10 platform link (eye balls) might be a prudent move to stem off Amazon smart phone aspirations? Trying to wrap my head around a Amazon BB10 powered smart phone (as per Forbes article suggestion) I just can't see the ++(net bottom line or otherwise), something I'm missing here??
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- 12-30-2012, 12:46 AM #33
Amazon licensing BB10 would only be a positive thing for the USA, outside of that country, it wouldn't stand a chance anywhere else since their most advertised services aren't available in many countries outside of the USA...
I don't want to see it happening...
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12-30-2012, 09:46 AM #34
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I just dont see what amazon would offer us.Sounds cool to have amazon on board but theeir actual service you can do that through your browser.This aint gonna happen clearly they are going to keep doing kindles good luck to them but they should really work on a store front thats installed in devices.
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12-30-2012, 11:04 AM #37
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RIM licensing BB10 has been an ongoing rumor for quite some time now, originally the speculation was that RIM and Samsung were going to work out a deal (Of course there's been a lot of speculation about RIM and Samsung getting together in more ways than one for some time now.) and I guess the speculation has moved over to Amazon. I'm guessing that the fact that the first generation Kindle Fire is very similar in looks (but not performance) to the PlayBook has fueled some of this speculation.
Licensing out BB10 could be a good thing or a bad thing, especially since Android is so well-entrenched with other smartphone manufacturers and even spreading into other devices (digital cameras, satellite radio receivers, etc.). One downside with Android is that the market is flooded with a lot of low-cost, low-quality Android-powered devices that dilute the entire Android OS (When you can buy a tablet from a no-name brand running an older version of Android for $49 at a drug store, that's not entirely a good thing.) as it potential gives users a negative impression of the OS. What if RIM licensed BB10 to a company and their device makes some of RIM's biggest BlackBerry flops look like successes?
BB10 is definitely the make or break point for RIM and they need to do what they can to make it successful and make inroads to reclaim lost marketshare. Licensing it out to other manufacturers would come across as a last gasp sort of thing, especially if BB10 flops (Even those of us that are bullish on BB10 have to keep that thought in the back of their minds.).
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12-31-2012, 03:21 PM #40
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What do you think of Amazon licensing BB10 ?
I would not want amazon making blackberry phones, but qnx based kindle fire tablets could be a good thing. It would need to be a joint effort with the two companies so they were cooperating and not competing.
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- 01-01-2013, 11:37 AM #42
Like has been said I see many benefits for RIM but I just don't see that many for amazon. Initially I think most benefits for amazon can be achieved by releasing apps for bb10 and see what happens. If later on after bb10 has had time on the market and doing well amazon were to see the benefits shift more to their favor I would agree that it would be a good idea.
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01-01-2013, 04:51 PM #43
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Re: What do you think of Amazon licensing BB10 ?
I fail to see how RIM does not need help in any way and how accessing content through a Web browser in a tablet environment seems like a good idea.
With regards to apps vs browser; Google realized long ago that mobility is better enjoyed through apps. That's why there's a Google Maps app and not a url link. The same applies with just about any other activity online. Amazon has the Web browser. I wonder how much traffic goes through their web-based app vs the Kindle app vs the hardware Kindle. I'm willing to bet the latter get the most use and the web-based reader doesn't reach1% participation.
With regards to content vs hardware; I believe a relationship between Amazon and RIM could benefit both sides, but RIM would be the most benefited. Amazon moves quite a bit of content, regardless of the hardware it's rendered on. RIMs last shot at relevancy will not be determined by hardware specs or OS Performance. Content available on the platform has always been the issue: call it apps, media, cloud-based services.
Android vs BB10 vs upcoming OS; people like Android, either because it's great, good enough or cheap enough to distribute. Even with Android, an OS mature enough to get the job done and then some, has made Samsung, the top Android-based manufacturer, looking into and developing an alternate OS (bada). Android is at the top of its game, but everyone knows this is a cyclical business. New OSs will show up and Android, like iOS will eventually fade out.
Manufacturers don't commit to an OS because it's pretty; they look for bottom line. If RIM can guarantee no patent related disputes, security and accesible development for content, it will have a shot at carving out a piece of the market, mostly through licensing.
Amazon could benefit greatly from using BB10; RIM is desperate enough to concede to many demands as long as it keeps them relevant long enough to claw back into the market and gain leverage.
Beyond an experienced manufacturer at their disposal, Amazon could easily afford to ignore RIM as they have done so far.
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