(Very New To Blackberry) Question: What features differentiate BB10 and iOS?
- 01-07-13 07:44 PMLike 1
- 01-07-13 08:46 PMLike 1
- No sign of the OP, did we overwhelm him with the BlackBerry differentiation, I believe we did.calicocat2010 likes this.01-07-13 10:50 PMLike 1
- I'd say it looks closer to iOS than any other platform since they both have a significant presence of skeuomorphic/materialistic elements in their design language. I'd say the biggest differentiator would be navigation of the OS as BB10 has a larger emphasis on gestures. Then there's invocation, multitasking, etc.01-07-13 11:16 PMLike 0
- [QUOTE=Thunderbuck;7830291They're crowded markets and there's getting to be less and less incentive for devs to stay in (particularly with Android--what version do you even target anymore?).[/quote]
You say thst as if the development community is stagnant. Look up Android Design in Action if you haven't already. It's amazing. It teaches developers how to take the most advantage of the Holo UI to make beautiful and functional apps and how to make them work across previous Android versions (ie. target the latest OS and either use system defaults for certain elements or the robust library of simple backporting tools). I think it'd do RIM good to have a design community like this. It keeps devs engaged and shows what the platform is truly capable of.01-07-13 11:27 PMLike 0 - I'm a mobile phone enthusiast and came on the scene after Blackberry's reign. I've been following BB10 and specifically the Z10(Gorgeous device) but I left iOS because it was boring and I want to know what BB10 offers that iOS does not? Just from looking at videos and photos, the OS looks a lot like iOS. Anyway, thank you for giving a newbie some info
iOS is everywhere, BB10 sets you different.
iOS is mundane, BB10 is an advanture.01-08-13 12:07 AMLike 0 - I'm a mobile phone enthusiast and came on the scene after Blackberry's reign. I've been following BB10 and specifically the Z10(Gorgeous device) but I left iOS because it was boring and I want to know what BB10 offers that iOS does not? Just from looking at videos and photos, the OS looks a lot like iOS. Anyway, thank you for giving a newbie some info01-08-13 12:11 AMLike 0
- ThunderbuckRetired ModeratorYou say thst as if the development community is stagnant. Look up Android Design in Action if you haven't already. It's amazing. It teaches developers how to take the most advantage of the Holo UI to make beautiful and functional apps and how to make them work across previous Android versions (ie. target the latest OS and either use system defaults for certain elements or the robust library of simple backporting tools). I think it'd do RIM good to have a design community like this. It keeps devs engaged and shows what the platform is truly capable of.
The trouble is, Google is losing control of the user experience. We've seen situations where a manufacturer imposed their own UI, only to find it broke upgradability. I still contend that developers face a big decision when they choose which version to target, and even if Google provides guidance and tools to help cover older versions, I find it hard to believe that they work for every scenario.
Apple, at least, has maintained strict control of its own user experience in iOS, and keeps users updating fairly faithfully, so the only real problem they face right now is an aging platform. Their big issue will be in making a platform shift without losing devs and users, not unlike RIM 3 years ago. It's fair to say, Apple has the money to manage that transition much more gracefully than RIM has.
I think RIM is in considerably better position, in its way. They've already alienated so many customers in the US that they're almost starting from scratch, so they don't face the "innovator's dilemma" the way Apple does. And, like Apple, they are at least starting out with full control over their users' experience.01-08-13 02:12 AMLike 0 - I realize that Google has a fantastic developer community for Android, and that they're doing everything they can to make the development process smoother.
The trouble is, Google is losing control of the user experience. We've seen situations where a manufacturer imposed their own UI, only to find it broke upgradability. I still contend that developers face a big decision when they choose which version to target, and even if Google provides guidance and tools to help cover older versions, I find it hard to believe that they work for every scenario.
Apple, at least, has maintained strict control of its own user experience in iOS, and keeps users updating fairly faithfully, so the only real problem they face right now is an aging platform. Their big issue will be in making a platform shift without losing devs and users, not unlike RIM 3 years ago. It's fair to say, Apple has the money to manage that transition much more gracefully than RIM has.
I think RIM is in considerably better position, in its way. They've already alienated so many customers in the US that they're almost starting from scratch, so they don't face the "innovator's dilemma" the way Apple does. And, like Apple, they are at least starting out with full control over their users' experience.
- The UI for Android apps is getting better rather than worse over the last few years. Most people feel that the overall app feel and OS feel in Android has now surpassed iOS from Jelly Bean onwards.
- More importantly, and more objectively, I disagree with your last line, about how having alienated customers is somehow better than facing the need to innovate.
Apple has a history of having kept customers happy. Their satisfaction and retention figures are brilliant. Theres no way thats a bad position.
RIM has alienated customers. Thats the worst thing you can do.
Pushing the PlayBook into peoples hands with promises that never came to fruition and getting customers to hate your product is not the best way to get them to come back when you launch your next flagship.
Because of the PlayBook, Ill be very very careful before committing to a BB10 device. I can only imagine what other people with less of an attachment to BlackBerries feel.01-08-13 04:01 AMLike 0 - I'm not going to say you are wrong because you probably have far better access to numbers than I but, in my experience with many Apple users, the shine is starting to wear off. They tend to get bored and many times are looking for 'the next best thing'. The next few months will be an interesting show.01-08-13 06:42 AMLike 0
- I realize that Google has a fantastic developer community for Android, and that they're doing everything they can to make the development process smoother.
The trouble is, Google is losing control of the user experience. We've seen situations where a manufacturer imposed their own UI, only to find it broke upgradability. I still contend that developers face a big decision when they choose which version to target, and even if Google provides guidance and tools to help cover older versions, I find it hard to believe that they work for every scenario.
Apple, at least, has maintained strict control of its own user experience in iOS, and keeps users updating fairly faithfully, so the only real problem they face right now is an aging platform. Their big issue will be in making a platform shift without losing devs and users, not unlike RIM 3 years ago. It's fair to say, Apple has the money to manage that transition much more gracefully than RIM has.
I think RIM is in considerably better position, in its way. They've already alienated so many customers in the US that they're almost starting from scratch, so they don't face the "innovator's dilemma" the way Apple does. And, like Apple, they are at least starting out with full control over their users' experience.01-08-13 08:51 AMLike 0 -
- ThunderbuckRetired ModeratorThe 2 problems with this post from my point of view are
- The UI for Android apps is getting better rather than worse over the last few years. Most people feel that the overall app feel and OS feel in Android has now surpassed iOS from Jelly Bean onwards.
- More importantly, and more objectively, I disagree with your last line, about how having alienated customers is somehow better than facing the need to innovate.
Apple has a history of having kept customers happy. Their satisfaction and retention figures are brilliant. Theres no way thats a bad position.
RIM has alienated customers. Thats the worst thing you can do.
Pushing the PlayBook into peoples hands with promises that never came to fruition and getting customers to hate your product is not the best way to get them to come back when you launch your next flagship.
Because of the PlayBook, Ill be very very careful before committing to a BB10 device. I can only imagine what other people with less of an attachment to BlackBerries feel.
And while I agree that the UI for Android has improved over the years--and btw I'm NOT trying to say that Android is a bad product or platform by any means--those improvements have not been uniform, and I'm telling you that the lack of uniformity is a growing problem.
To say they're losing control suggests they've ever had the faintest interest in controlling manufacturers. Android is a platform that anyone can do anything they want with to make their own products. In fact, Google encourages customization- turning Android into something interesting. Google can make it as easy as possible for manufacturers to port the OS to their hardware, but that's all they'll ever do. Google's only responsibility is to Android itself and making sure users can get Android as they intended it and they do that in the form of the Nexus line which gets updates as soon as they're available. So, if you want the same type software support that Windows Phone and iOS get, then you buy a Nexus device. Otherwise, you're on the manufacturer's timeline.01-08-13 12:30 PMLike 0 - ThunderbuckRetired Moderator
The Playbook handles this better than the current BB handsets by putting a "get images" button prominently on the e-mail itself (in other words, you don't have to open a menu and scroll through seemingly dozens of options to find "get images" like you do on the phones). Haven't actually seen e-mail yet on the BB10, but I'd guess they'll either do that or go with the Outlook scheme where you can whitelist senders once and automatically download images from that user from then on.01-08-13 12:34 PMLike 0 - .
Yes, I get that. And I get the principal of encouraging customization (though I wish the manufacturers did a better job of extending that principle to their customers). The trouble is, we've seen examples just in the past few months of manufacturers who painted themselves in a corner and had to backtrack on promised upgradability. You might argue that it's their own tough luck for doing that, but the customers suffer and it demonstrates how fragmented the platform is getting. I still contend that BB10 enjoys something of an advantage over Android because at this point RIM is the only company building the phones and they can maintain more control over the user experience.01-08-13 06:04 PMLike 0 - ThunderbuckRetired ModeratorWhat I'm getting at is that you're looking at Android wrong. Platform-wide control would only be detrimental. Instead control is enforced at the device level by the manufacturer. RIM has no more control over its devices than Google does its Nexus line and only marginally more than other manufacturers. Besides, firmware updates =! user experience. Save for updating the SDK version, firmware updates for third party devices are largely superfluous as they have their own set of features and because Gingerbread can run run the vast majority of apps and ICS can run everything. Sure, its annoying for some not to have the latest version of Android, but not getting the update doesn't break the device and if having the most recent version of Android were so important they would have either bought a Nexus or gotten into custom ROMs.
And given how unprofitable Android seems to be unless your name is "Samsung", I'm not even sure why they're bothering.01-08-13 06:23 PMLike 0 - BrantaRetired Network ModThere's an even more significant issue - it avoids the need to download useless pictures, particularly when on high cost roaming or a slow connection. I have customers who will send a screenshot of a Windows error message. I don't need the picture to confirm what they said in the text before I tell them how to fix it, and I certainly don't need to wait for 5* 960Kbytes and a load of company logos @ 50Kbytes each to download at 2G speeds before I can answer.Dapper37 likes this.01-08-13 06:24 PMLike 1
- I get the philosophical difference that you're talking about, and I understand that Google has made a deliberate business decision not to "lock down" the OS and to let the OEMs innovate. The point I'm trying to make is that there are drawbacks to this approach. As the OEM's feel more pressure to differentiate their products, they run more and more risk of breaking compatibility.
And given how unprofitable Android seems to be unless your name is "Samsung", I'm not even sure why they're bothering.
As for why they bother: Android is the only platform that is free and gives them free reign over hardware and software so they can create their own products leveraging a thriving ecosystem and develop and experiment with cutting edge technology.01-08-13 07:26 PMLike 0 - Tampering with compatibility will disallow them from using Google serivces and distributing incompatible versions of Android gets them in legal trouble.
As for why they bother: Android is the only platform that is free and gives them free reign over hardware and software so they can create their own products leveraging a thriving ecosystem and develop and experiment with cutting edge technology.01-08-13 08:09 PMLike 0 - ThunderbuckRetired Moderator
As for why they bother: Android is the only platform that is free and gives them free reign over hardware and software so they can create their own products leveraging a thriving ecosystem and develop and experiment with cutting edge technology.
And, again, at this point the only manufacturer actually making money on Android is Samsung, so I'm still not sure why they're bothering.01-08-13 08:10 PMLike 0 -
always makes me laugh when people say Samsung made android what it is. Samsung would be nothing like what it is now, without the work htc and sony did in raising androids profile.
people suffer amnesia a lot when it comes to tech
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