- 01-07-13, 11:52 AM #26
I'm hoping I can get more work use out of my BlackBerry. I work for a company with a BES server, but I don't think they have stayed up-to-date with the BES software. They seem intent on moving towards Good Enterprise to satisfy all the people who "must" get their email on their iPad and iPhones. I have a personal BlackBerry, but if I let them activate it under the current BES software, their will be no "balance" and everything will be restricted based on the company's policies.
I really hope RIM works to keep my company on board and gets them to update their BES server so I can use Balance. If not, maybe Good will be available for BlackBerry 10. How weird would that be, huh?
- 01-07-13, 12:03 PM #27
- 01-07-13, 12:07 PM #28
If you have a professional "identity" and a personal one that you want to maintain on the same phone, it might be worth your while to look at hosted BES for your professional stuff. If compliance is an issue your host can perform all the archiving/securing needed and then you don't have to worry about it anymore. And then, yes, you WOULD be able to have Balance.
- 01-07-13, 12:21 PM #29
- 01-07-13, 12:29 PM #30
If your employer is wary about RIM, it might not have so much to do with cost as concern that they might not stay in business. We can only hope that sort of perception will change as we move further into 2013. There's a chance that your IT guys might be holding off on pulling the trigger on Good until they get a better sense of what BES10 will do for them.
- 01-07-13, 12:37 PM #31
I hope you are right about the cost. I kind of just assumed that BB would cost more than Good, but maybe that isn't the case. Maybe the new BB10 phones will get some of the "higer-ups" on board. Once they start asking about how Balance works and then they figure out they can't get it, I bet that Server will be updated pretty quickly.
- 01-07-13, 01:44 PM #33
I'll admit, I'm not clear on licensing costs and so on, but I'm guessing that's going to start getting very competitive in the next while.
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01-07-13, 04:24 PM #34
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Lol, believe it or not, I'm 100% on board with what you're saying (for nothing less than its factual-ness and sound judgment - least of all that my work should have me on a BES (which they just got rid off)
- 01-07-13, 04:48 PM #35
I know, I know...when I said the last time I was answered that I don't know what I'm speaking about and that anyways an average person wouldn't need it...
The point is still there : BB10 needs all its chances, all the possible clients, if some people want it, if some people find it cool, if it can help to sell more phones, if finally it makes a clear distinctive feature from other phones...why not? (once again, I don't mean the full feature, but sort of double profile).
- 01-08-13, 04:08 AM #36
After all, this discussion is not new (since we've been shown the Balance) and it reminds me a very old Ukrainian joke on the (supposed) greed of Ukrainians :
A foreign Ambassador quits Ukraine when his service in the country comes to an end. In the plane he sees a Ukrainian who takes from his bag a piece of salo (a sort of national speciality) and starts to eat it. The Ambassador realises that he had never tasted it while on service and that he might never have a chance to taste it again, so he sends his assistant to ask the Ukrainian a small piece of it. The Assistant (A) explains the situation and the Ukrainian (U) answers him:
U: But he wouldn't eat it!
The Assistant explains again that it was the Ambassador's personal wish, so he surely would do it.
U: You're wrong, your Ambassador wouldn't eat it.
The assistant explains again and gets the same answer, before exclaiming:
A: But why are you so d... sure the Ambassador wouldn't eat it?!
U: Beacuse I won't give it to him!
The discussion of this Balance feature goes the same way : people who find out its existence get interested, they ask questions and manifest their interest, they find it cool, useful for them, attractive, etc. but the only answer they get is that they wouldn't need it (because it's only to work) and that anyways they won't have it.
It'll be better to think over how and in what form this feature could be made available to all bb10 users who wish it. Common users are the majority of BB users! It is suicidal not to give them something they'd like to have, if it is easy to do (sort of double profile or users accounts on PC)
- 01-08-13, 04:56 AM #37
The idea that not offering a similar feature to balance for everyone is suicidal on the part of rim is ludicrous hyperbole with little to no bearing on reality.
- 01-08-13, 05:15 AM #38
- 01-08-13, 05:24 AM #39
And actually, yes, even if it takes to build an almost entirely new feature that would look like the Balance, I think that Rim should do it, if users do want it.
Isn't the market all about giving the client what he wants, offering him what he doesn't have yet and keeping in pace with other competitors?
- 01-08-13, 05:49 AM #40
Re: So will the average consumer be able to use BlackBerry Balance?
Adding a third view to balance wouldn't be all that difficult, having it active without being on a BES might be. I kind of like a locked down kid type profile. It's worth a shot to contact RIM and ask for it. If enough people do, we might see changes made.
- 01-08-13, 02:16 PM #41
They have to strike a balance (no pun intended) between what features they deliver at launch and for what parts of their customer base, balance is clearly a killer app for bes users, whereas a kid's profile is more of a nice to have kind of feature for consumers that you would hope they would add eventually, but few would consider vital right now, especially since it would seem a bit like copycatting wp8.
- 01-09-13, 10:50 AM #43
If that is the case, there will be disappointment come launch day.
Removable back cover for ease of battery replacement.
Dual mode capability work and play. Great for times when you "loan" your phone to the kids to play their games.
- 01-09-13, 08:08 PM #46
This ArsTechnica journalist seems to believe that blackberry balance is for everyone to separate "work" and "play." I really hope that is the case. Self employed persons (as well as many everyday consumers) would enjoy this feature.
It'd be great to have the ability to switch in between "work and "play"
While in "Play" profile it would be nice to:
-automatically send calls from "work" contacts to voicemail. (notification alert; similar to an sms.)
-emails or texts from "work" contacts don't show up in the Inbox. (maybe a small notification somewhere)
Another feature would be assigning contacts to both profiles. i.e., your wife can call/text/email you whether you are on "work" or "play"
- 01-09-13, 10:52 PM #47
Correct me of I'm wrong but I thought I read or saw on one of the videos that with balance you would be able to manage for example 2 facebook accounts. 1 private and 1 work account. For a self employed person or very small business this would be great. If, however, these functions wouod only be available with bes I do think quite some people will be left a bit disappointed. On the other hand I don't think there are other devices who let you mamage 2 fb, or twitter, accounts simultaniously so therebis nothing to miss either.
Also like the idea wp8 has with their kid's corner. Anything similar would be welcome on a personal note!
- 01-09-13, 11:03 PM #48
P.S. huh, Rim or the art of disappointment
Like as I said, everybody who reads a review or whatever, thinks that Balance will be available and people actually want it.
I understand that Rim wants to show off everything (especially if it is an evident exclusive feauture and novelty and you don't have many of them), but my opinion is that if the feature was never to be offered to users - they shouldn't have shown to users.
- 01-10-13, 03:30 AM #49
- 01-10-13, 09:53 AM #50
Yeah, there's so many times when someone wants to see my phone and I have to gawk over what they're doing to make sure they're not snooping through my messages and stuff. It's not that they're in particularly private, but somethings I just don't want certain people to know.
If I could just switch from personal to "work" or a "public" mode, I wouldn't have to worry about it.
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