[bobauckland]

First of all, no one wants bloatware.
Second of all, anyone who thinks CrackBerry should be available to every single new user is smoking some very potent stuff.
With BB10, RIM is aiming for the average consumer, the average guy, they want to gain more marketshare. While CrackBerry is a great resource for finding help at times, linking every average user here would be a huge mistake.
Someone coming on and asking for advice on apps he/she thought were standard on all OSes is going to run into the standard 'You're a moron for wanting apps, why didn't you do your research?' trolls and be turned off forever.
The average user will see threads that are anti RIM/PlayBook/BlackBerry disappear or get locked, while a whole load of ones talking about other platforms as toys and games and meant for children while refusing to acknowledge common opinions like how most people feel the PlayBook can never be termed a professional grade tablet, those threads go on and on and on.
The average user is going to think they just bought a lemon and the community that support this device is filled with 11 year olds.
Theres a lot of depth to BlackBerries and they're incredibly productive devices, and I hope BB10 pushes this even further although I don't like the beta at all so far, but CrackBerry is not the place for the average user to come to because its not impartial at all, in the main, and is unable to judge RIM products against the competition in an unbiased manner, or without resorting to childish insults to new users or people who may be disappointed with their new, very expensive, devices.
When trying to gain marketshare, thats going to turn off a lot of potential customers, and probably do far more harm than good.

[JAGWIRE]

First of all, no one wants bloatware.
Second of all, anyone who thinks CrackBerry should be available to every single new user is smoking some very potent stuff.

ok drug reference not really needed

With BB10, RIM is aiming for the average consumer, the average guy, they want to gain more marketshare. While CrackBerry is a great resource for finding help at times, linking every average user here would be a huge mistake.
Someone coming on and asking for advice on apps he/she thought were standard on all OSes is going to run into the standard 'You're a moron for wanting apps, why didn't you do your research?' trolls and be turned off forever.

This is the exact reason why we are fighting for CB on BB10. The troll population is dwindiling, there is ever a Thread about it. This is the best place for those new "average joes" to learn about the BB and what it does and doesn't have and make an informed decision.

The average user will see threads that are anti RIM/PlayBook/BlackBerry disappear or get locked, while a whole load of ones talking about other platforms as toys and games and meant for children while refusing to acknowledge common opinions like how most people feel the PlayBook can never be termed a professional grade tablet, those threads go on and on and on.
The average user is going to think they just bought a lemon and the community that support this device is filled with 11 year olds.

ok i dont see the point/opioion in this part??

Theres a lot of depth to BlackBerries and they're incredibly productive devices, and I hope BB10 pushes this even further although I don't like the beta at all so far, but CrackBerry is not the place for the average user to come to because its not impartial at all, in the main, and is unable to judge RIM products against the competition in an unbiased manner, or without resorting to childish insults to new users or people who may be disappointed with their new, very expensive, devices.
When trying to gain marketshare, thats going to turn off a lot of potential customers, and probably do far more harm than good.

this last bit made up for the disapointment i felt in the drug comment. Of course its not impartial its a BB fan site. yes it has the potential to do that to new users, turn them off the product instead of on, but that is up to us. We have to set the bar for the new users . we have to show them what BB is all about in a professional way. If either of CB apps get loaded onto BB10 then we, as a CrackBerry Nation, will have to come together and show our support for what we believe in. And if you dont believe in RIM/BB then you have no reason to be apart of this site.

[JAGWIRE]

after being busy all week packing and what not im back for another post filled weekend

oh ya and BBBBUUUUUUMMMMMPPPPP

[omniusovermind]

Crackberry.com is the #1 fan base site for BB users and fans. We have 3M users and over 8M visits every month. It is a huge wealth of information and knowledge be you a noob or a seasoned user. You can still delete the app if you dont want it after you get your BB10 but im sure there are A LOT of people out there that would love the help that CB can provide them. CBK was already in talks and asking devs to redo the app for him this way they will be doing it for the intire 75M of us BB users and not the 3M CB users.

You can also just as easily install it if it's not preloaded.

[JAGWIRE]

You can also just as easily install it if it's not preloaded.

true and that is probably what RIM is going to say when CBK talks to them at BBWorld when we goes. But there are a lot of BB users out there that don't know about CB to even download it on to their phone. here's some numbers:
75M bb users, 3M members on CB, 8M hits per month.
We are still missing out on a HUGE portion of BB users out there that would greatly benefit from being a part of the CB community.

[JAGWIRE]

been awhile so ill just poke the nest a little

[mrfreeze574]

I actually agree with this. CrackBerry has the largest population of BlackBerry supporters and can only help grow the BlackBerry brand. There is no reason for them to be "tight" or "chummy". Just preinstall the app and it would help RIM and new users immensely. If someone doesn't want it, make it removable. Done.

Freeze