- 02-02-13, 12:38 PM #27
- 02-02-13, 12:39 PM #28
- CrackBerry Master
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Considering this is a new platform I would think it's more BlackBerry's fault. I bet the built in media player is using an API that is not open to all yet... I am sure it will get better. But it's good to know right now there is very poor support for these kind of scenarios.
- 02-02-13, 01:10 PM #32
Okay let's just clear up some of the misconceptions here. It seems to be dependent on the app. I just tried this with a proper Built for BlackBerry app (Nobex Radio) and it just pinned Nobex at the 8th app slot and kept closing the 7th app on every new app opening instead. Nobex never closed on it's own and the music kept playing.
Google Talk may close, but that's because you are kept connected via a background push connection. You will continue to receive messages into your Hub even if the app itself is not running.
Sounds like TuneIn is not handling things properly and is allowing the OS to close it. There's no magic dust in Nobex's app. They just code better (and it's a native, Cascades app to boot).
- 02-02-13, 01:12 PM #33
- 02-02-13, 01:37 PM #34
- 02-02-13, 01:42 PM #35
And yes, folks make sure you are certain of things you say as facts.. other sites read these comments, and all of a sudden you see a headline on BGR saying BB10 doesn't support push email because someone on this forum posted it as a fact, and that kind of false story leads to slower sales..
- 02-02-13, 02:44 PM #36
Granted, I realize I gave instructions based on the Dev Alpha OS so I should have disclosed that up-front, given that it seems the final OS has quite a few differences even in where settings are placed.
- 02-02-13, 05:20 PM #40
I don't understand. Are the people here who are bothered but this 9th app thing not realising that you can close apps manually or are they actually suggesting that they need 8 apps to be active all at once?
I don't really see the issue here. You open GTalk, then open maps to find the location of something, once you have found this you close the maps app. Now you are back to just GTalk running.
If you always close apps when you are finished using them like you would on a desktop operating system I don't see how you could possibly reach a 9th app.
- 02-02-13, 06:24 PM #42
And for those asking "who needs to run more than 8 apps at at time"... seriously? We each use our phones differently. Don't assume I use mine the same way you use yours.
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Thanks for the info on Nobex. This tells me that their is a public API, that can force a App to stay open. Thanks for the info, because it behaves way differently than other platforms. On other platforms the app closes, except for a shell of a service. I like this way better!!! Also, it sounds like information apps like Google Chat can still get alerts. This is all good info. I agree it sounds like not all apps are built with the "don't close because I am doing something API"...
I too am curious what would happen if all 8 apps were like Nobex... Yes this is not a common use case. But I am still curious. I doubt you could find that many... I would assume the Media App, Nobex, and Navigation have it... Although, I doubt both Nobex and Media App would work at the same time? But if so that's three, so we still need 5 more to test it out!
If I could find 5 more, and have the Z10 (stuck in the US), I would totally test it out. I am a Software Engineer, so I am sure the BlackBerry guys are freaking out if they read the stupid test cases we are coming up with. I know I would!
I agree the "pin" concept would be nice. I would add those apps you "pin" they should re-open on reboot in the correct order. Plus I would like to see the ability to move the order around. Also, I would like to see apps that launch not go to the app switcher first. It wastes too much time.... Anyway, that's another thread.... Those are all UI refinements that I am sure will be there some day... This is just 1.0 errr 10.0 stuff
- 02-02-13, 06:52 PM #44
- 02-02-13, 10:34 PM #45
8 is not a limitation, but a convenience.
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02-02-13, 11:53 PM #46
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Regardless the ability to restore previous tabs on browser open, that's a band-aid, if that.
I do not want, in general, for my browser to load a bunch of tabs every time it starts. I want to be able to close what I am doing, even if I have 6 tabs open, without having to individually close each one first, and the next time I launch it not have to sit there and wait for it to try to open 6 complicated webpages, before I can do anything. It's also a disaster if you have a problematic webpage of some kind that crashes the browser - if it "remembers" that page and tries to open it every time the browser launches, you now are stuck in a catch-22 loop and can't use the browser any more.
I'm personally less concerned about email notifications that are going to come in anyway - what I'm worried about is spending an hour composing a letter or a spreadsheet or an email, or entering something in some online webform somewhere, then unexpectedly having it all go "poof" without warning, with no way of getting it back.
Being able to "pin" apps would be great, but even simpler I'd imagine from an implementation standpoint, all Blackberry would have to do is make a very simple change in the OS, where there is a tickbox somewhere in "advanced settings" or somesuch, setting the OS to pop-up a modal dialog box each time it hits 9 apps, asking if it's OK to close app "X".
Yes, I know you could in theory auto-save an email/spreadsheet/word doc, but A) that still wastes my time and B) there are tons of other "in-progress" scenarios that are far more problematic. (ie the webform example given above)
When BB10 hits the USA I will obviously have to just plan to be real careful about the 8 app limit so I don't hit that wall.
- 02-03-13, 01:53 AM #48
- Dragon Slayer
02-03-13, 03:59 AM #49
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To add to that, now that I've watched a few more demos of the Z10 and BB10, I don't think this will be nearly as much of an issue because of 2 main reasons:
- The app list is essentially the home screen, you can't really avoid being aware of what is running all the time.
- BB10 has task management built right into the app tiles/homescreen, every app tile has an "X" on it you can use to close any app visible there.
So it seems a little less likely I'll 'hit the magic number 9' in BB10, but I'd still like some sort of warning before it auto-closes something.
I realize the typical Joe doesn't care and probably doesn't even think about that kind of thing, but I do. I don't like any OS to make data-losing decisions for me.
- 02-03-13, 04:09 AM #50
Just got my z10 days ago and i think the opposite would be god too aka to have certain apps that would not appear in the frames at all for example, search, and clock. (they currently do at the moment and i find it absolutely unnecesaary
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