[olga421]

So can someone please clarify for me if BIS is good to have or not,and will Bb10 in the future work with BIS





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[Alex_Hong]

Clearing up the BlackBerry 10 data plan confusion: No, you don't need a special BlackBerry plan if you're a regular customer | CrackBerry.com

BIS is no longer necessary with BB10.

[blueyestm]

You will not need bis with the z10 or q10

[olga421]

Well what does this all mean in, comparison to the other smartphones for example security,and or data compression will it be better without BIS??

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[Alex_Hong]

Okay, Question 1, security.

Question: Is my data still secure?
Answer: Yes, it is. Instead of relying on hardware, BlackBerry has decided to go ahead with software encryption model instead. In technical terms, a packet of data would have to go encrypted (null key) from your device to the RIM server where its repackaged and sent encrypted (null key) to the recipient. Now, however, its encrypted on the device directly, and sent direct to the recipient for decryption. Hence, your data is still sent securely.

Question 2, Data Compression.

Question: How about the disadvantages?
Answer: We will lose a key feature in BlackBerry called DataSmart Technology. With all the telcos reducing their data bundles these days, data consumption has been a hot topic. A BlackBerry device was 4x more data friendly than rivaling devices and this is no longer true with BlackBerry 10. With the native browser able to emulate in both mobile or desktop mode, data consumption might just be on the rise. So while we gain better network speeds and stability, we actually lose this useful technology.

Question: What benefits do I stand to gain?
Answer: Well, this can be rather technical. Your data now do not need to travel long distances as opposed to the standard BIS previously. With less travel distances, both you and your recipient can expect to receive messages or data faster. All of it, the ping, latency and stability should now improve, and will be hence, entirely dependent on your telco. One less party in the transmission path, one less factor that will cause network disruptions (if any) in the future.

Excerpts from, Clarified: BIS NOT Needed For BlackBerry 10! *updated 0110 hours*

[olga421]

So its actually better,im hearing that blackberry might be implenting bis with BlackBerry 10 any truth to that

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[Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes]

So its actually better,im hearing that blackberry might be implenting bis with BlackBerry 10 any truth to that

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No there is not truth to that

[Alex_Hong]

So its actually better,im hearing that blackberry might be implenting bis with BlackBerry 10 any truth to that

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If anything, i would assume the opposite. That when these conditions are met:
- BBOS devices are no longer relavant years down the road (minimal amount of users remaining on BIS service)
- its no longer financially sustainable to keep BIS going (not enough service revenue to keep the servers running without making huge loss)
- when BB10 has a broad portfolio of both high end and entry level devices (to satisfy all levels of needs)
- The technology BIS provides are no longer relavant (faster cellular data speeds, or basically new technology)

We will see BIS go the way of the Dinosaurs.

My post above:

Question: What benefits do I stand to gain?
Answer: Well, this can be rather technical. Your data now do not need to travel long distances as opposed to the standard BIS previously. With less travel distances, both you and your recipient can expect to receive messages or data faster. All of it, the ping, latency and stability should now improve, and will be hence, entirely dependent on your telco. One less party in the transmission path, one less factor that will cause network disruptions (if any) in the future.

One of the touted features of BB10 is LTE/4G. In fact faster and faster speeds will be guaranteed in the future as new technology emerges. So to implement the BIS as we know, will be counter productive to that. Making data route through BB's servers again. Data compression isn't exactly brilliant these days as most data are already in compressed formats anyway, such as jpg, mpg, mp3, etc. Most of the compression are probably just servers requesting lower image/video quality, or simply just text, emails, etc, IF available from the content provider. I expect to see more contents being optimised for mobile as it plays an increasingly important role in the modern world, sending you images that are just right for your device screen resolution, nothing more, nothing less (unless requested, similar to the idea of request HQ images from BBM). Imagine if you have a 640 X 480 display, but they send you a photo with resolution of 2560 X 1920, the extra data transfer is pretty wasteful if you just want to take a quick glance at it. And, If you have a device with a high pixel density such as the Z10, you would want a decent image quality when browsing photos online right? There's no way they can compress files such as photos and video without losing quality.

Furthermore, perhaps when 4G/LTE is more robust, carriers will start bundling more data for consumers. Then, WiFi availability are increasing as well. Next up, leading email providers such as Gmail, Yahoo, Outlook, are also offering push email services, like IMAP, ActiveSync, etc. So push services are another thing out as well.

My point is, personally i don't see BIS making its way onto BB10, at least not the BIS that we know.

[mhart343]

You sure about the whole security now on the phone thing? Equal to her more secure than BIS?

[FunktasticLucky]

Well I'm going to miss the low data usage but one thing I'm happy about. I no longer have to worry about moving devices abd service books. So frustrating. I can move my messages to the new device but it won't let me access any of the attachments. No more. YAY. Now we just need them to fix all the syncing issues. And I'll be happy.

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[pkcable]

Ok great discussion going folks! Lets just take it to BB10 OS, and to better focus it I have adjusted the title. This will also help people find and answer this question in the future. Great question though! Please continue!

[doug8256]

There is possibly another reason as to why BIS is no longer available. From a marketable standpoint, by not using BIS, this allows the consumer to switch from another brand of phone without having to enter into a new cell plan.
For example..one who uses an iphone and its talk/text/data plan, and wishes to switch to a blackberry could now do so without having to enter a blackberry dedicated data plan, thus allowing the user flexible options when doing a device switch.

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[gusanbage]

Hello everyone,

I'm living in Qatar and using a Z10. My network provider Qtel is still charging extra BIS package to me monthly.(~16 $) If we don't need BIS anymore then? I'm confused. Before, you couldn't activate your handset without BIS/BES. And now, as I understand it's working like IOS or Android phones.

Why they are still charging BIS fee ?