- CrackBerry Genius of Geniuses
12-19-12, 03:21 PM #27
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No benchmarks or anything.
The device itself is thin, about 3/4 the thickness of the 9900 but felt thinner than that when you look at and hold it. The top and bottom of the phone tapers down ever so slightly at the edge.
Last edited by FuzzyFish; 12-19-12 at 03:48 PM.
The L series' keyboard is the best digital keyboard out there no question, it's accurate, learns what you type (I think it scans the words that are in your emails actually), had great spacing and the predictive text works really well.
Just like CB Kevin said though, you have to slow down your typing if you use the predictive text feature. If you type with 2 thumbs at a decent pace, by the time you see the words pop up on the frets your mind and thumb are already 1 or 2 characters ahead. I don't doubt that the predictive text feature can save some people time (especially one handed typers), but if you're used to typing really fast with 2 thumbs there will be quite a large learning curve if you really want to use the swipy predictive text.
This was make or break for me, turns out it's not something I'm willing to adapt to.
Re: full touch vs. QWERTY, see my reply right above. I only tried the full touch, not many people have the QWERTY yet.
The L series was thin, somewhere between the iPhone 5 and 9900. Probably closer to the iPhone 5 than 9900. In terms of weight it was far lighter than I expected, holding it and my 9900 back to back felt like it was half the weight (it's not, but it felt like it was). Far lighter than the GSIII and not unlike the iPhone 5.
I really thought the thick bezels would bother me, but they didn't one bit. The bezels look thicker in pictures than when you actually use it and everything on screen is moving around. It was just fine and I doubt it'll be an issue for most people once they use the device.
The balance of the phone was perfect, nothing to worry about there.
The L series is just a tick narrower than the 9900.
- 12-19-12, 03:53 PM #30
To be honest, if RIM made my Bold in BB10 i would just keep it forever. Yes, I understand that BB10 is a full touch experience but as I said, I have never been a fan. I really want BB10 to convert me.
- 12-19-12, 04:01 PM #32
...You know what, I love the trackpad but I really didn't miss it. The digital cursor worked really well and was extremely accurate on the build that I was using. I think most users won't miss the trackpad after using BB10 for a few days...
Thank you. That's what I wanted to hear. Of all the changes, losing the trackpad is the one I most fear.
Why not try the N series before deciding?
The device felt nice, although not as nice as the 9900 or iPhone 4/4S/5. There's no question that it's extremely sturdy and well built, but it lacked the top end premium feel to me; probably because of the all polycarbonate construction and light weight.
If the 9900 (black one, not the white version) and iPhone 4/4A/5 are a 10 in terms of physical feeling, the L Series is an 8.5 to me.
- 12-19-12, 04:38 PM #35
I'm intrigued by the concept that the new keyboard is supposed to be able to learn how you touch the keyboard over time. As I keep some (small) length to my fingernails and seem always to be coming at the keys at various angles, this could be just the thing that wins me over.
Thank you for your input.
- 12-19-12, 04:46 PM #36
Re: Played with an BB10 L Series for about 30 minutes, any questions?
Were the apps you saw that you can't talk about as not to steal the thunder 3rd party or core apps? Thanks in advance.
- 12-19-12, 04:52 PM #37
On the UI and eye candy, did you see any cool use of animation? This is one area where I've always felt RIM didn't pay enough attention. I was recently playing with a friend's Galaxy and it had this cool page turning effect as you navigated the home screen. Likewise, iOS has lots of cool little touches like photos expanding and dropping into an email when you share a photo or emails shrinking, falling into the trash can and then the lid bounces.
I thought RIM didn't get enough credit for improving BBOS in terms of iconography (compare 4.2.2 to 7) but felt that their devices lacked these fun little touches. PlayBook is the same ... certainly more than powerful enough to deliver such an experience ... it just didn't.
How did the frames look? Based on what I've seen, that's the one thing I don't like the physical look of.
- CrackBerry Addict
12-19-12, 04:56 PM #39
- 516 Posts
So no, BB10 still needs a lot of work here, if you're into these types of things (I am and think it's important to have in order to penetrate the consumer market). It's almost like BB10 needs to go through TAT's finishing school still.
Active Frames, it works really well. I never had much problems with how Active Frames look to begin with, so I never thought it looked bad when I used it, but nothing much had changed since we first saw the feature. One suggestion, it would be nice to see a swipe up gesture to close to Active Frames, right now it just has a little small "X" on the lower right corner.
The device I used was somewhat fresh, so I didn't really see much info in the AF when I opened several apps to try it out.
- 12-19-12, 05:48 PM #44
Ok I got several..and These questions are from Another thread. Let's see if you can answer Most of these.
Definitely not the most constructive tone, but does bring ip some interesting points.
The BlackBerry 10 homescreen is terrible « Ebscer News - Google Search
"BlackBerry 10 homescreen is terrible
The executives from RIM have talked about how they want to minimize the use of the homescreen, and try and get away the in-and-out pattern of launching apps. To this end the process of invoking another app’s card is brilliantly implemented, and when it makes sense will provide users with a seamless experience. But at times users are going to want to use the homescreen, and when they do they are going to be very disappointed.
The homescreen experience on BlackBerry 10 is absolutely terrible. There is practically no way to organize your installed apps. Even though I am only using my DevAlpha for developing and testing apps, I already have more apps than I can manage on the device. If this was the situation on my day to day phone, it would be the kind of annoyance that would lead to me downloading less apps, because I would not want to deal with managing them all. (And as an app developer, I clearly want people to download more and more applications).
What is worse, is that most of the limitations seem to be rather artificial. You can not have nested folders, you can’t have more than 16 apps on each page, you can not have more than 16 apps in a folder. So say you have four pages of apps, and just downloaded a new game, and wanted to place it in a folder on your first page of apps. (I think this is a rather reasonable scenario). You would navigate to the fourth page and grab the app, then move it to the third page. This would bump an app off of the third page and on to the fourth page. You would then drag your new game from the third page to the second page (bumping one of the second page apps to the third page), then you would drag your game to the first page (bumping the final first page app to the second page). You could then finally place the new game into the folder. If you then wanted to get back your icon that was bumped off of your first screen you would drag it over from the second screen, see that it was in the upper left corner (instead of the lower right corner where you had it a minute ago), dragging it to the lower right won’t work, so you would have to move it the second last icon, and then move the last icon over one place. (Repeat per page if you want to restore your previous pages to their starting look).
I will admit that personally I am not too likely to want to place one folder inside another, but I see no reason why that shouldn’t be an option. Not everyone wants their apps in such a flat organizational layout. Some people would prefer to save their apps in a more strict hierarchy.
App limit per folder
Having a limit of 16 apps per folder makes them almost useless for organizational purposes. Of the four folders on my BlackBerry Bold, three of them have over 30 applications. (And despite its smaller screen, my Bold can display more than 16 icons at a time).
I have to wonder if the gesture for exiting folders has had any usability testing at all. For power users, it is kindof neat, but if I were to hand a BlackBerry 10 phone to a complete stranger, I would guess that they would be unable to exit the folder. For those who don’t know how to exit folders on BB10, just know that swiping left, right, up, or down will not work, neither will tapping anywhere on the screen. If RIM doesn’t want to go with the corner x, that the PlayBook uses, I would suggest that the huge label on the bottom of the folder that looks like a button, should do something.
Why does the homescreen not work in landscape orientation? Is there any reason for this at all? For all of its faults even OS 18.104.22.168 had no problem displaying the homescreen in landscape orientation. Remember how most of the pre-installed PlayBook apps only supported a single orientation, and we had to wait a year and a half for version 2.1 in order to mostly get that fixed? Lets not repeat that mistake.
Bezel swipe to unlock
The bezel swipe to unlock on the PlayBook is awesome. On the Dev Alpha, not so much. Unlike the ease of the PlayBook, BlackBerry 10 requires you to swipe twice, and furthermore the second swipe has to be in a predefined direction. It is the very nemesis of productivity, and I would much rather have access to my phone after a single swipe. Also the button on the top of the phone that look like the unlock button on the older BlackBerrys, instead does nothing useful.
Why limit the number of apps on each page
The 16 app per page limit is very annoying and was the root cause of most of the issues in my example in the beginning of this rant. The PlayBook already has a great system for handling this, just scroll down a bit on the page to see the rest that is there. I would be pretty happy to see that interface copied verbatim. The current implementation is very broken.
For my friends at RIM, the good news is that you still have 43 days to fix this. I don’t want to see BlackBerry 10 ship with an interface that is so frustratingly unusable.
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Some polishing can and should be done here.
I wouldn't say the homescreen is terrible, far from it in fact; but I do feel that it's quite blend.
P.S. One thing that is fixed over the PBOS, you can now hold the volume buttons to have volume go up and down more than just one level.
- 12-19-12, 08:07 PM #47
Thanks for anwsering these all of these questions. I really hope that RIM's UI team is reading all of these comments and suggestions and making some some serious considerations since they still have 40 days and I hope that they let TAT have a final run through of the OS and add in all of there of little touches. As well if someone wants to they can tweet this link to @BlackBerryScoop since he knows the RIM UI team and even said he sent the concerns from Ebscer's article to them.
- CrackBerry Genius
12-19-12, 08:29 PM #48
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Thanks for answering the questions. All your constructive criticisms in regards to the lightness of the device and the look of the UI don't really concern me, so I'm very excited.
Did you get to try the media player? Did they keep the volume key functions where you could hold down the increase or decrease volume keys to change tracks? I'm assuming they did.
- 12-19-12, 08:41 PM #49
Re: Played with an BB10 L Series for about 30 minutes, any questions?
Sent from the world's (once) most powerful smartphone.
- CrackBerry Addict
12-19-12, 08:53 PM #50
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Personally, I hope that BB10 brings functionality and elegance. I want (minimalism) elegance on the UI and UX.
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