[Dave79]

I think PlayBook OS is much better at multitasking than BB10, you simply swipe left or right to move to another open app. With BB10 you need to swipe up and scroll the active frames to find your open app of choice. By the way so much for the "forget the in and out paradigm"...to me swipe up and press the home button are exactly the same in and out paradigm.

[senel]

I like PB method too. Maybe its better than BB10, so thats why Apple steal the concept and implemented it to iOS7.

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[Dave79]

Yeah they should have made the swipe up move directly to the next opened app and perhaps use a gesture like swipe up&left (a mirror to the gesture to get to the hub) to get to the Active Frames

[Dave79]

Actually the gestures should be swipe up&left = HUB, swipe up&right=Active Frames. And a simple swipe up to move to the next open app.

[dejanh]

I think PlayBook OS is much better at multitasking than BB10, you simply swipe left or right to move to another open app. With BB10 you need to swipe up and scroll the active frames to find your open app of choice. By the way so much for the "forget the in and out paradigm"...to me swipe up and press the home button are exactly the same in and out paradigm.

Tell us how you really feel.

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[Richard Buckley]

There are two major differences between the PlayBook and BB10 that make the paradigm change necessary. You can still prefer the PlayBook way, but I think the BB10 implementation has some important advantages.

On the PlayBook background applications continue to run or not based on a system wide parameter, although applications can still pause themselves. In BB10 what an application does in active frame and invisible states is determined by the developer.

If you multitask by moving sequentially through the list of open applications you change each from invisible to foreground then back to invisible. Depending on the application this might trigger unnecessary resource consumption as an application reloads new data over the network that isn't going to be used.

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[garychristie]

Much prefer the playbook swipe left and right to change between open applications. More elegant.

Having 4 frames open on bb10 on the same screen looks untidy. The X to close is also too small.

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[djsvet]

I have an explanation why they did that - the PB is a media device (all about apps and games). BB10 is all about communication meaning the HUB gets top priority period.
Although I loved the PB multitasking, I don't see it working with the current HUB gesture and I am not parting with that (as a small business user).

*And technically the HUB combines near unlimited number of apps.

[Dave79]

Although I loved the PB multitasking, I don't see it working with the current HUB gesture and I am not parting with that (as a small business user).

They can both live together: swipe up and you change open app, swipe up&left: hub, swipe up&right: active frames

[djsvet]

They can both live together: swipe up and you change open app, swipe up&left: hub, swipe up&right: active frames

That will be useless - you suggesting togeling between recent apps and if I have 8 open guess what - slow.
Alos, unlocking would be not in line (I don't use the power button).
There is probably a solution but what you suggested will never

[djsvet]

What I will find useful though, would be customisable gesture shortcuts. For example - draw a quick B for browser from any screen.

I find this even better because I know that I am going in the browser for sure with one motion, much like to the HUB.

[Dave79]

That will be useless - you suggesting togeling between recent apps and if I have 8 open guess what - slow.
Alos, unlocking would be not in line (I don't use the power button).
There is probably a solution but what you suggested will never work.

Unlocking has nothing to with it. If you swipe up now you get to the active frames, my suggestion is swipe up&right gets you in the active frame instead a simple swipe up will swtich to the next app open. You dont want to swip up more than once to get to your app? you can still have access to the active frames with one gesture. Not sure why you say it wont work.

[Dave79]

What I will find useful though, would be customisable gesture shortcuts. For example - draw a quick B for browser from any screen.

I find this even better because I know that I am going in the browser for sure with one motion, much like to the HUB.

Customizable gestures are another good suggestion

[nucks26]

Agreed, but hard to to on a mobile os. The playbook was typically held as a landscape device thus having the open applications at the top. Also has the extra screen real estate to do so

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[Nogol]

Prefer swipes that PlayBook has. Feel they need bring some of those other gestures to bb10. Swipe up to close active frame app is a must, that X is stupid. Let's hope more gestures appear and evolve as os matures.

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[macberry33]

I like BB10 better. If you have multiple apps, you swipe up, look for the app you want looking at the app thumbnails and click on it. Simple.

I don't think the Playbook method is better, faster and more comfortable.

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[mphillips828]

There are two major differences between the PlayBook and BB10 that make the paradigm change necessary. You can still prefer the PlayBook way, but I think the BB10 implementation has some important advantages.

On the PlayBook background applications continue to run or not based on a system wide parameter, although applications can still pause themselves. In BB10 what an application does in active frame and invisible states is determined by the developer.

If you multitask by moving sequentially through the list of open applications you change each from invisible to foreground then back to invisible. Depending on the application this might trigger unnecessary resource consumption as an application reloads new data over the network that isn't going to be used.

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I like what you said here...I think the BB10 implementation has greater future value than what PB multitasking. PB multitasking and swiping between open apps worked great! but they are limited in what they can do when they minimize them and ultimately the best outcome for that method would be something similar to Web OS...

Now with BB10 there is MUCH MUCH better upsides and benefits to the active frames method...time will tell what the benefits are, but look at it like this. BB10 and active frames could be renamed and adjusted in their functioning much better than PB could. The active frames could (and with all the demand probably will) become INTERactive frames...allowing the user to interact with the application from the frame itself without entering the app...this would increase multitasking greatly by allowing you to control music from the frame, slide through your photos in active frames, and many other interactivity that they choose...this is why I like the active frames approach, that in time we will all notice that it is unique and will offer much much more functionality than just a frozen screen shot of a minimized app...

That being said...there is no reason BB can not allow users to cycle through open apps like we could on the PB...so maybe including a gesture (with the option to turn it off) of UP/LEFT to slide the screen over to the previous app in the list maybe? Example...using browser, then jump into my calendar. Looking at my calendar I know I want to go directly back to the browser, so I swipe up and to the left and the browser slides in...could be that it is always the last app used for that function and works in all areas of the OS like the HUB feature...so even in the hub, if you check the hub and want to jump back to your pictures app...instead of going to active frames, you just reply to the message in the hub, then swipe up/left and you are right back into the pictures app and exactly where you left it!

BB10 needs a feature like this to help people keep moving and increase speed of use...the comment I have come across before in forums is that a gesture like up/left should show you all your open apps...but that is identical to swiping up and showing the active frames...so that is redundant...

Another thing that should be implemented is closing an app directly! BB10 should allow to close an app completely by swiping all the way from the bottom to the top of the screen...it should show a red bar once you pass half way to let you know that you are closing the app (red glow similar to that when you decline a phone call)...and if you don't go all the way to there, it will just minimize the app to an active frame...

Let me know what you guys think of these ideas! We need to start pushing forums and discussions to have BB listen to us hardcore users!

[battleax78]

I like BB10 better. If you have multiple apps, you swipe up, look for the app you want looking at the app thumbnails and click on it. Simple.

I don't think the Playbook method is better, faster and more comfortable.

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I don't see much difference either. Swipe up, then left right on PlayBook. Swipe up, then tap active frame on BB10. The other small differences are for some highly nuanced nerd argument.

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[belfastdispatcher]

The PlayBook method means it can run more then 8 apps at one time, and they can be active or paused.

Ironically this is now the iPhone method too and both stole it from webos.

[garychristie]

Highly nuanced nerd argument. Thanks for making me laugh :-)

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[Dave79]

I like BB10 better. If you have multiple apps, you swipe up, look for the app you want looking at the app thumbnails and click on it. Simple.

I don't think the Playbook method is better, faster and more comfortable.

One does not exclude the other. I state it again: swipe up and you move to the next open app, swipe up&right gets you to the active frames, swipe up&left gets you to the hub.

[Dave79]

I like what you said here...I think the BB10 implementation has greater future value than what PB multitasking. PB multitasking and swiping between open apps worked great! but they are limited in what they can do when they minimize them and ultimately the best outcome for that method would be something similar to Web OS...

Now with BB10 there is MUCH MUCH better upsides and benefits to the active frames method...time will tell what the benefits are, but look at it like this. BB10 and active frames could be renamed and adjusted in their functioning much better than PB could. The active frames could (and with all the demand probably will) become INTERactive frames...allowing the user to interact with the application from the frame itself without entering the app...this would increase multitasking greatly by allowing you to control music from the frame, slide through your photos in active frames, and many other interactivity that they choose...this is why I like the active frames approach, that in time we will all notice that it is unique and will offer much much more functionality than just a frozen screen shot of a minimized app...

That being said...there is no reason BB can not allow users to cycle through open apps like we could on the PB...so maybe including a gesture (with the option to turn it off) of UP/LEFT to slide the screen over to the previous app in the list maybe? Example...using browser, then jump into my calendar. Looking at my calendar I know I want to go directly back to the browser, so I swipe up and to the left and the browser slides in...could be that it is always the last app used for that function and works in all areas of the OS like the HUB feature...so even in the hub, if you check the hub and want to jump back to your pictures app...instead of going to active frames, you just reply to the message in the hub, then swipe up/left and you are right back into the pictures app and exactly where you left it!

BB10 needs a feature like this to help people keep moving and increase speed of use...the comment I have come across before in forums is that a gesture like up/left should show you all your open apps...but that is identical to swiping up and showing the active frames...so that is redundant...

Another thing that should be implemented is closing an app directly! BB10 should allow to close an app completely by swiping all the way from the bottom to the top of the screen...it should show a red bar once you pass half way to let you know that you are closing the app (red glow similar to that when you decline a phone call)...and if you don't go all the way to there, it will just minimize the app to an active frame...

Let me know what you guys think of these ideas! We need to start pushing forums and discussions to have BB listen to us hardcore users!

That's what I've been saying as well. there is no need to change one or the other because you could have both with the gesture I proposed. Also I agree with you statement when you mention that they have to implement a swipe gesture to close an app.