- 04-30-12, 06:24 AM #26
- 04-30-12, 06:34 AM #27
Carriers would love it. Since almost all of 'em roll with these tiered data plans, any compression would be a small dent in their profits, at least with those that frequently go over their tier.
Seems goofy to me to make the NOC essentially just a BBM server or something. I surely can't be the only person out here, right or wrong, that believe in the security benefits of BIS. I can't believe they'd get rid of it.
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- 04-30-12, 06:58 AM #28
I don't get what sources OP heard but if you read any of the doomsday messages about RIM in the last year or so you KNOW they won't stop offering BIS.
BIS is the consumer heart of the blackberry. BIS provides blackberry and carriers with one feature no one else can offer, service books.
In a lot of articles about RIM's failure in the last year or so there is always that one light at the end, they're actually expanding in emerging markets.
BIS is that reason. You can actually get a BIS subscription for just BBM or BBM and email or email and surfing, or whatever combo you want at a cheaper rate of getting the entire BIS package. This is instrumental in their expansion.
BBM is they key selling point amongst new/young blackberry adopters, you think a 12 year old cares about email? No, they want a blackberry, they want BBM and they want it cheap. BIS provides this opportunity.
BBM, NOC data compression will not function without BIS. Simply will not.
Every tried putting someone else's sim card in your blackberry without a BIS or BES subscription? You can call home but that's pretty much it.
And while bandwidth costs keep rising compression is something carriers are asking for.
SECURITY. ENCRYPTION. COMPRESSION.
Provided RIM isn't changing the architecture behind their entire ecosystem, BIS won't disappear. It's impossible. Their entire NOC infrastructure will be rendered useless over time and why would blackberry still exist without BIS? A blackberry without BIS is like an iPhone without the i. Think about it.
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- 04-30-12, 09:01 AM #30
- 02-13-13, 02:06 AM #33
I wish there was an app like Onavo (it routes traffic through it's VPN and compresses data, reducing your data usage). Maybe BlackBerry can create an Onavo like app that routes data through BIS (and BIS already compresses data). This way, you can still use your smartphone without BIS specific data plan but connect to BIS and get data-compression benefits whenever you want by installing that app.
- 02-13-13, 03:08 AM #36
Were you using your Egypt bought phone in the US? If that's the case, even though it's a GSM phone, it doesn't have the exact GSM bands as the US phones.
I got perfect reception from both AT&T and TMo when I was in Florida.
Besides, to compare Egypt "the third world country" reception to the US after experiencing shoddy reception in one location (which could after all be due to a foreign GSM phone with mismatching bands) is a bit of hyperbole. I'm sure you wouldn't get reception out in the desert or other remote areas in Egypt but I wouldn't hold that against Egypt or the carriers there. But, to play on the same token, I could say Egypt gets CRAPPY reception since majority of its land mass doesn't even get reception when in fact my state (California) spans more square kilometers of inhabitable living space than your country and gets great reception. So yeah...
Anyway, to get to the point of NO BIS = DEAD BLACKBERRY is one way of looking at it. It's not BlackBerry's fault that this is a price matter, but your country's carriers. I mean, it's not BlackBerry charging you $100/mo for data, it's your carrier.
If your carrier wasn't charging so much for data it wouldn't matter if BIS was still around or not. So, I guess it's those damn Egyptian carriers that are "failures" as you put it. They have the "poorest" data plans in the world!
My advice to you is to never depend on Egyptian carriers to be fair who can't even provide reasonably priced data plans to it's faithful customers even though they provide great reception that's better than horrible US carriers...
- CrackBerry Genius
02-13-13, 03:33 AM #37
- 3,494 Posts
I've never heard one person say "I love BlackBerry phones, but having to use BIS means I'd rather have an iPhone". Not once. Never.
BlackBerry phones are selling poorly not because they came with a service that reduces data usage and improves email functionality but because the hardware and OS were quickly becoming surpassed by the competition.
- 02-13-13, 03:51 AM #38
- 02-13-13, 04:27 AM #39
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- 02-13-13, 04:31 AM #40
- CrackBerry Abuser
02-14-13, 12:50 AM #46
- 438 Posts
Open letter to RIM | BlackBerry 10 without BIS = RIM dead
I hope TH was not talking about BES at the time.
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- 02-14-13, 10:22 AM #48
LOL. UAE is smaller than the state I live in, and you could fit 20 Egypts in the US. I don't think people realize the size of the US and the massive diversity of terrain involved. It costs much more for a carrier to fully cover the US, compared to fully cover Egypt. That is why no carrier fully covers the US.
Now as for BIS, I believe that RIM should have kept it as an option in BB10. The lack of BIS is going to make my International business travels much more expensive, or I'm going to need to start switching SIMs, which I don't want to do. I used to be able to have my carrier turn on the International BlackBerry plan and get unlimited web, e-mail, and BBM, and people could reach me on my number if their was an issue.