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  1. Wezard's Avatar
    All good points Tony, but Microsoft has done an excellent job of creating software packages aka apps, in house that have put many of the independent devs out of business in the PC world. Microsoft has the pockets to do so in the mobile world. If they put together full and complete PC, tablet and Mobile integration, with the apps they already have, maybe a few more. and get the banks on board with apps, they stand a very good chance of grabbing a nice size slice of the pie.

    I would have to give the Win Phone serious consideration, and I don't even like Microsoft.
    03-14-17 08:31 PM
  2. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    You'd think, but Microsoft has probably spent (read: lost) $20B or more on WinPhone and their marketshare is approaching zero. Ballmer really dropped the ball on mobile, and just like BB and others have learned, there's only a small window of opportunity, and if you miss it, it may be decades before another big one comes along - and it will almost always come in an entirely new category, not on an existing one.
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    03-14-17 09:55 PM
  3. howarmat's Avatar
    Sadly MS has been trying HARD for 3+ years and they already had their run and are back down to nothing basically
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    03-14-17 10:10 PM
  4. Ment's Avatar
    If someone built a consumer friendly augment-reality interface that might do it. I have a crazy idea of controlling such a device with some type of sensor that could differentiate the electrical signals going to your tongue. You could 'flick' your words like the BB keyboard lol
    03-14-17 10:30 PM
  5. markmall's Avatar
    Sadly MS has been trying HARD for 3+ years and they already had their run and are back down to nothing basically
    They have been neglectful of their mobile OS. Not trying HARD for three years.

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    03-14-17 10:44 PM
  6. fattyacid's Avatar
    Its just a matter of time for win7 to be obsolete and win10 and above will fill the windows desktop OS, -thats the time the Windows app/ecosystem will further fluorish. Desktop users will want to have the same app that they have in the mobiles so developers must also do a windows version. Apple may do the same in the future (put apps in osx if they hadnt yet). Windows is the giant here in mobile just doing the waiting game.

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    03-14-17 10:53 PM
  7. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Its just a matter of time for win7 to be obsolete and win10 and above will fill the windows desktop OS, -thats the time the Windows app/ecosystem will further fluorish. Desktop users will want to have the same app that they have in the mobiles so developers must also do a windows version. Apple may do the same in the future (put apps in osx if they hadnt yet). Windows is the giant here in mobile just doing the waiting game.
    But, see, I strongly disagree.

    People who are using desktops want interfaces made for mice and keyboards and really big screens, while people using mobile devices want interfaces with much larger elements designed for touch input. And few people need the full power of a desktop in a mobile app, but they certainly want it and expect it in a desktop app. And for developers to try to make a single app that does both is really no less work than making two separate apps that are each optimized for the desired UI. Thus, there's little synergy between desktop and mobile apps. I don't see that changing in the next 5 years - but after that, MAYBE.
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    03-15-17 01:54 AM
  8. Fool Guy's Avatar
    There aren't that many of you. If there were, something would have changed by now.
    Just because nothing have changed in past 8 or 10 years it does not means that nothing going to change in future too.
    And most of us love to follow successful things.
    In technology change n evolution is key.
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    03-15-17 05:42 AM
  9. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    There have been a number of alternative desktop OSs over the last 30 years, the most successful examples being OS/2 and BeOS. But despite being excellent OSs, they don't exist anymore, because developers looked and said "this is nice, but there's really nothing that it does that's significantly better than Windows or OSX,

    Android and iOS are pretty secure for at least a decade - who knows what might come along in that time? - but no other "me too" platform is going to displace them. If Huawei stops making Android phones, there are dozens of other manufacturers who will happily step up and take those sales, and Huawei will simply lose marketshare - it won't make a dent in Android sales or influence.
    Problem for most Android hardware OEM's like Huawei..... looking back over the last 30 years in the PC market, not too many of those one time PC manufactures are still around. And even the ones that are, don't seem to be making much off that business. Android hardware OEM's have got to be worried about how they stay competitive and yet standout in the crowd. BlackBerry's focus on Enterprise might not be a bad niche.... if they hadn't burned too many bridges already. Timing... it's just always a little off for them.
    03-15-17 07:22 AM
  10. stlabrat's Avatar
    with dev power slowly diminish due to new wave of cloud based web... OS war will start all over again. Google is dev new OS https://mobile.slashdot.org/story/17...-secret-new-os
    the droid limitation is obvious.
    As for BEOS, the downfall is not lack of Dev, but the founder got heart broken because Apple selected Jobs company OS instead, even Be beat them in performance on every level... old history. (some Be still left in droid, but lack of the elegance... diluted too much from its DNA... very sad)
    03-15-17 08:12 AM
  11. Wezard's Avatar
    Its just a matter of time for win7 to be obsolete and win10 and above will fill the windows desktop OS, -thats the time the Windows app/ecosystem will further fluorish. Desktop users will want to have the same app that they have in the mobiles so developers must also do a windows version.
    I'm thinking more along the lines of two separate apps, a 'lite' version for the mobile, and a full version for PC. Which ever one you are using will automatically populate the fields in the other, OTA right now, or next time you hit wifi, your choice.
    Backing up your phone would be a non issue, and with all the auto back up options for PC's you wouldn't have to worry about that either. Most of the apps, at least at first would be windows, not 3rd party, they already have a ton of them

    People who are using desktops want interfaces made for mice and keyboards and really big screens, while people using mobile devices want interfaces with much larger elements designed for touch input. And few people need the full power of a desktop in a mobile app, but they certainly want it and expect it in a desktop app. And for developers to try to make a single app that does both is really no less work than making two separate apps that are each optimized for the desired UI.
    I think most people use both, especially business people, The scenario I'm suggesting would have Microsoft providing the synergy you are talking about. That alone would provide a quantum shift in technology.

    They have been neglectful of their mobile OS. Not trying HARD for three years.
    We don't know what they have doing for past 3 years, except keeping Win phones on life support for some reason. I suspect there is a very good reason for doing so. Win10 looks to have been designed for the type of integration I'm talking about. Right down to now calling computer programs apps.
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    03-15-17 09:31 AM
  12. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    with dev power slowly diminish due to new wave of cloud based web... OS war will start all over again. Google is dev new OS https://mobile.slashdot.org/story/17...-secret-new-os
    the droid limitation is obvious.
    As for BEOS, the downfall is not lack of Dev, but the founder got heart broken because Apple selected Jobs company OS instead, even Be beat them in performance on every level... old history. (some Be still left in droid, but lack of the elegance... diluted too much from its DNA... very sad)
    There are better stories out there on what Google may be doing with Fuchsia.... but the simple truth it is an experimental OS that Google isn't saying much about. But most expect it to be an IoT OS - might give QNX a run for their money. Most expects that have run early version of Fuchsia, don't believe the stories of it being a replacement of either Android or Chrome OS.
    03-15-17 01:23 PM
  13. Emaderton3's Avatar
    I think any change.. will be a major change to a new technology, not just a different OS that does basically the same things as existing mature technologies.
    Agreed. Despite different OSs, they all roughly provide the same functions for users. Something new and exciting will have to come out that we haven't seen before.

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    03-15-17 01:34 PM
  14. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    I'm thinking more along the lines of two separate apps, a 'lite' version for the mobile, and a full version for PC. Which ever one you are using will automatically populate the fields in the other, OTA right now, or next time you hit wifi, your choice.
    Backing up your phone would be a non issue, and with all the auto back up options for PC's you wouldn't have to worry about that either. Most of the apps, at least at first would be windows, not 3rd party, they already have a ton of them
    We've already had exactly this for years for any app it would make sense to have it - what is MS going to bring to the table that's any different? Making two separate apps is what happens already, so no synergy there, and with cloud-based apps and data, everything is already available on both desktop and mobile instantly and automatically.
    03-15-17 07:34 PM
  15. markmall's Avatar
    But, see, I strongly disagree.

    People who are using desktops want interfaces made for mice and keyboards and really big screens, while people using mobile devices want interfaces with much larger elements designed for touch input. And few people need the full power of a desktop in a mobile app, but they certainly want it and expect it in a desktop app. And for developers to try to make a single app that does both is really no less work than making two separate apps that are each optimized for the desired UI. Thus, there's little synergy between desktop and mobile apps. I don't see that changing in the next 5 years - but after that, MAYBE.
    8.1 struck a nice balance and works great on a small screen. Microsoft overreacted by killing it on tablets.

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    03-15-17 08:59 PM
  16. fattyacid's Avatar
    Win10 is lenient to legacy windows programs but once, lets say win11 comes out, they may not be as so. Windows got us on our balls and market has no choice but to upgrade, and programmers to update their applications to comply with the new windows . Some desktop applications are already having their ms app version , simply because of the sheer number of windows users (I frequently use the VLC app even). If I am an app developer, would I just concentrate on android and ios when I know the ms store is available on all windows desktop? I see facebook and messenger app being updated weekly. Time is windows friend right now.

    love your curVes and all your edges all your peRfEct imPerfections
    03-15-17 10:13 PM
  17. Fs Laflamme's Avatar
    Win10 is lenient to legacy windows programs but once, lets say win11 comes out, they may not be as so. Windows got us on our balls and market has no choice but to upgrade, and programmers to update their applications to comply with the new windows . Some desktop applications are already having their ms app version , simply because of the sheer number of windows users (I frequently use the VLC app even). If I am an app developer, would I just concentrate on android and ios when I know the ms store is available on all windows desktop? I see facebook and messenger app being updated weekly. Time is windows friend right now.

    love your curVes and all your edges all your peRfEct imPerfections
    First windows 10 mobile is suppose to the last windows for normal user platform. No more great update is to come only small corrections. They have a brilliant upgrade program that is base on user comments.
    Secondly the apps that are in windows store aren't the same than those available in the mobile one.

    Windows 10 and Windows 10 mobile are differents.



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    03-15-17 10:49 PM
  18. fattyacid's Avatar
    First windows 10 mobile is suppose to the last windows for normal user platform. No more great update is to come only small corrections. They have a brilliant upgrade program that is base on user comments.
    Secondly the apps that are in windows store aren't the same than those available in the mobile one.

    Windows 10 and Windows 10 mobile are differents.



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    1. Ok maybe I shouldn't have used win11 or 12 as they clearly state there wont be any. I meant the next windows iteration.
    2. Apps on the store is compatible with desktop(10) AND mobile(10). How can you say they're different?

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    03-16-17 10:08 PM
  19. Fs Laflamme's Avatar
    ....
    2. Apps on the store is compatible with desktop(10) AND mobile(10). How can you say they're different?
    ........
    Because some apps are not available for both OS.

    A better explanation here:

    http://m.windowscentral.com/what-is-...rsal-app-win10


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    Last edited by Fs Laflamme; 03-17-17 at 01:48 AM.
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    03-17-17 12:48 AM
  20. Huussi's Avatar
    Because some apps are not available for both OS.

    A better explanation here:

    http://m.windowscentral.com/what-is-...rsal-app-win10


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    Microsoft is trying to slowly phase out win32 applications and are pushing the universal ones pretty aggressively.
    03-17-17 08:44 AM
  21. Fs Laflamme's Avatar
    Microsoft is trying to slowly phase out win32 applications and are pushing the universal ones pretty aggressively.
    Yeap! But it isn't done yet!

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    03-17-17 10:29 AM
  22. tipplex's Avatar
    They can all make devices with bb10!

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    03-17-17 11:25 AM
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