Blackberry 10: BIS, BES & Data Plans
I have been searching for an answer to some questions i have regarding this, i have found information, but nothing that answers my questions specifically.
- I currently have a Bold 9900 with a blackberry dataplan (I think it is an unlimited plan, will have to double check)
- I live in Greece and my contract is with Cosmote.
- I travel alot for work, mostly in the EU and UK, at least one week every month I am abroad.
- I am self employed, have my own company, so I am not part of some giant corporate with servers.
- I do not really use my phone a lot for data, mainly emails (8 accounts), bbm, whatsapp, trading, and some browsing,(mainly crackberry, n4bb and cnbc, who all have mobile versions of their website) social networking, etc.
i am aware of the benefits i get with my current blackberry plan. (encrypted data incl emails, compressed data, security, no data roaming fees when travelling abroad, reduced battery usage due to push email, and emails received installing because of Push email etc). Are these correct?
What i have understood from the information i have read so far:
- The Blackberry 10 phones do not require a blackberry plan, you can get a normal data plan from your carrier.
- BES functions for those who are on BES and their company has the BES 10 software setup on servers.
now the questions about BIS.
- I would prefer to keep the benefits i get from BIS.
- What benefits from BIS will still be there if buy a Z10 and transfer my contract over.
- Will BIS be automatically transferred over to my Z10 when i transfer my SIM over?
- Will BIS be automatically converted into a normal data plan when i transfer my sim over?
- Can i voluntarily carry on with BIS? So if i buy a Z10 and transfer my sim over to the new phone, can I opt in to carry on paying for the blackberry data plan and still receive the benefits.
I have never received an extraordinary large bill for my phone. I keep data roaming on when i am travelling and do what i would do in Greece normally. I am sure it is because of some of these benefits. Also security is important for me, so i prefer the arrangement I have at the moment.
I would consider myself averagely tech savvy and would appreciate if someone could shed some light on this.
Thanks in advance
- CrackBerry Genius
02-10-2013, 07:17 AM #2
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Your carrier is the only one that can answer your questions. In Canada, your regular BIS data plan will work with the Z10, but I don't think you get any special BIS features. I am referring to the full BIS plan, not the social plans.
It does look like the carrier has the option of using BIS to differentiate BBM data from regular so they can offer unlimited BBM video chat as a feature.
In regards to roaming data use, that is an unknown until a few more people roam with their phones.
I didnt realise the carriers had such a big say.
If i dont get the BIS benefits, I guess this means i will get zapped with data roaming fees the next time i go abroad with a z10?
In canada, does this mean your emails and data are no longer encrypted?
Anyone used the Z10 abroad yet and has any more information about data roaming?
If this is the case I am that little bit happier. My phone should arrive next week, before it is released officially by the carriers in Greece. I have to go and get a micro sim, will ask them about the data plan issue then.
- 02-16-2013, 04:56 AM #8
For most people today, those are not imperative features, the benefits are not as clear-cut as they were 5 or 7 years ago, and no other providers have such things anyway so even without them Blackberry is not at a competitive disadvantage compared to the other platforms out there today.Data expands to fill all available space. Traffic increases to use all available bandwidth.
- 02-16-2013, 05:05 AM #9
Here's an article that gives a good overview of what is or is not encypted on BIS and BES connections (Date: 2010 - does not apply to BB10 obviously):
FAQ: What Communication Is Encrypted on Your BlackBerry - BerryReviewData expands to fill all available space. Traffic increases to use all available bandwidth.
- CrackBerry Genius of Geniuses
02-16-2013, 11:46 AM #11
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- CrackBerry User
02-16-2013, 03:40 PM #12
- 21 Posts
Just curious, how many other non-enterprise users would be be willing to pay a monthly fee for BES like security features? Not that I have anything sensitive I am sending but I personally would pay a couple of extra bucks a month to know all my data (emails, BBM's etc) are being encrypted.
- CrackBerry Abuser
02-16-2013, 04:41 PM #13
- 199 Posts
Then you can use a hosted BES, but even EAS is encrypted. While BIS to your legacy BB is encrypted, keep in mind that doesn't necessarily mean your emails on whatever server you're on is secure and whether the path from that server to BIS is encrypted.
- 02-16-2013, 06:29 PM #14
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- 02-16-2013, 06:37 PM #15Data expands to fill all available space. Traffic increases to use all available bandwidth.
- CrackBerry Newbie
03-07-2013, 11:01 AM #16
- 4 Posts
On Z10, there are no service books for your emails, contacts and calendars anymore. Unfortunately, if you don't want to use IMAP protocol, you get no 'PUSH' with pop setup. The minimum Sync period in the pop setup is 15 minutes, a far cry from instant email. Blackberry invented push and it seems that with z10 it has killed it's own invention by taking BIS out for the general, non-bes users at large. Z 10 is more of an Android/iphone in this respect which I find it to be disappointing.
If BIS is no more then is BBM also freely available to any data plan? Don't know it yet, but have read that people switching from other platforms can continue to use their data plans. Does it mean that BBM also works on their regular data plans?
- 03-07-2013, 01:50 PM #17
But POP3 is a 25-year-old protocol that is less and less commonly used today, RIM suffered lots of negative press over the occasional BIS outages, running that network is a large overhead, and BIS placed a variety of constraints on the way data was received on Blackberry devices that handicapped them in other ways. For example, there is NO WAY that the Z10 browser would have the good performance it has today if it were required to route all web traffic through BIS as was the case with legacy BBOS devices.
Data expands to fill all available space. Traffic increases to use all available bandwidth.
- CrackBerry Newbie
03-08-2013, 08:19 AM #18
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With BIS, you just had to give your userid and password and the rest was taken care by blackberry. The email was pushed almost perfectly and instantaneously. Since I archive my emails, the pop on desktop worked reasonably well save a few misses occassionaly. I tried the IMAP option when i got my z10 a few weeks ago; however, with IMAP on my z 10, the desktop pop3 accounts on my outlook stopped receiving emails altogether. So I am back on pop on z10 and my outlook /pop3 accounts are receiving emails again. The trade-off is NO push email with pop setup on z10. Not entirely happy with this situation.
- 03-08-2013, 09:10 AM #19
There are lots of posts here about how to do that, I just don't have the time/energy to spend 10 minutes looking them all up right now. Here's an overview of email retrieval options to get you started:
BB10: The tl;dr on email retrieval and syncingData expands to fill all available space. Traffic increases to use all available bandwidth.
I took the plunge and brought the phone to Greece, where it currently hasnt been released yet.
There was data when i swapped the sims over. It seems as though the BIS even when it has transferred does not allow data to be transferred, not emails or browsing.
All i did was added a data plan onto my contract and it all worked. The next thing i will experiment with, is that i will cancel the BIS plan and see if i have any problems with email after that, but i dont think i will
- CrackBerry Newbie
03-29-2013, 03:05 PM #22
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I have the same user profil as you. traveling a lot outside Austria and was a long time BB user because of the BIS plan worldwide.
what was your experience in march with the Z10? How was during traveling, does it works what about the roaming cost. I think this will be the differnce of the ol BIS plan.
- 03-29-2013, 05:13 PM #24
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