BB Z10 uses apple software?

**AlienPrime** · 02-07-2013, 05:03 PM

K wtf is up with this???

Go to browser, hit the options and go to about. Scroll down to #5 you'll see a thing about how apple/apple Inc. Is not responsible for warranty.

Scroll down right past that! Look at what it says in all CAPS. BB10 browser uses apple components?

**Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes** · 02-07-2013, 05:15 PM

yeah because apple is listed as a contributor

so is google inc and others

**derpOverflow** · 02-07-2013, 05:16 PM

Apple, Google, and BlackBerrry all work on the same browser engine.

**DenverRalphy** · 02-07-2013, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by AlienPrime

K wtf is up with this???

Go to browser, hit the options and go to about. Scroll down to #5 you'll see a thing about how apple/apple Inc. Is not responsible for warranty.

Scroll down right past that! Look at what it says in all CAPS. BB10 browser uses apple components?

Apple contributed to the development of the WebKit browser (albeit, in a very minor manner). The license for WebKit requires that you credit those in the development process.

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**sunjammer** · 02-07-2013, 05:17 PM

BB10 uses a WebKit browser. WebKit is by Apple.

**Emu the Foo** · 02-07-2013, 05:21 PM

Word son. Everyone shares stuff.

**emstardeluxe** · 02-07-2013, 05:23 PM

oooh those rotten scoundrels!

**DenverRalphy** · 02-07-2013, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by sunjammer

BB10 uses a WebKit browser. WebKit is by Apple.

More accurately, WebKit was developed by the KDE developers. Apple merely added some function calls specific to their platform. You could strip Apple's code out of it and nobody would notice.

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**simu31** · 02-07-2013, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by sunjammer

BB10 uses a WebKit browser. WebKit is by Apple.

No, it's really not!

Si.

**Jonesy1966** · 02-07-2013, 05:34 PM

I'm not one to call into question someone's veracity based on their post count but there seems to be an inordinate amount of people posting supposed "negative" aspects of the Z10 with one or two posts under their belt, who then promptly disappear.

Ever look under the hood of your car? Parts are swapped and shared like there's no tomorrow in the automotive industry by the Big3 and some others. GM supplies transmissions to Ford, Hyundai supplies whole engines to Chrysler, etc, etc. The list is almost endless.

Why then, does it come as any surprise to anyone that the same thing goes on in the tech sector, albeit to a much lesser degree. Apple allows BlackBerry to use WebKit components and is credited as such. Why is that an issue? Bet if you trawled through the engineering credits on an Apple you'd come across one or two for BlackBerry or one of their associated companies.

**DJM626** · 02-07-2013, 05:41 PM

No one owns anything entirely on their own anymore. No matter what industry you are talking. Something is always owned, but licensed by someone else etc. It's called "Sharing the wealth"

**DenverRalphy** · 02-07-2013, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by DJM626

No one owns anything entirely on their own anymore. No matter what industry you are talking. Something is always owned, but licensed by someone else etc. It's called "Sharing the wealth"

Not really. The last few years have been riddled with patent disputes to an obscene level.

In the case of the WebKit browser, if Apple hadn't used an open source browser engine developed by the Linux community, but instead built their own browser... There'd be no way in **** you'd see it used on other platforms.

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**RubberChicken76** · 02-07-2013, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by sunjammer

BB10 uses a WebKit browser. WebKit is by Apple.

WebKit is open source and they all contribute to it. BlackBerry too. Apple did start the WebKit project, but it's based on something else, IIRC

BlackBerry bought Torch Mobile because Torch was also a major contributor to it

**rrtek** · 02-07-2013, 05:58 PM

WebKit is based on KHTML that was created by KDE guys.

**AlienPrime** · 02-07-2013, 07:32 PM

Figured **** outt!! Hahaha they just wrote that because it's using an Apple codec MP4 lolololol!!! We can all take a breather.... Not that anyone seemed to care that much! Hahaha!

AP out!

**kfh227** · 02-07-2013, 08:43 PM

I suggested to Crackbeerry that they lock forums for a while or lock thread starting. They lambasted me. I think at a minimum they should not allow new thread creation till a user hits 20 or 30 posts. I've seen other forums do this and it's nice.

Originally Posted by Jonesy1966

I'm not one to call into question someone's veracity based on their post count but there seems to be an inordinate amount of people posting supposed "negative" aspects of the Z10 with one or two posts under their belt, who then promptly disappear.

Ever look under the hood of your car? Parts are swapped and shared like there's no tomorrow in the automotive industry by the Big3 and some others. GM supplies transmissions to Ford, Hyundai supplies whole engines to Chrysler, etc, etc. The list is almost endless.

Why then, does it come as any surprise to anyone that the same thing goes on in the tech sector, albeit to a much lesser degree. Apple allows BlackBerry to use WebKit components and is credited as such. Why is that an issue? Bet if you trawled through the engineering credits on an Apple you'd come across one or two for BlackBerry or one of their associated companies.

**Sqoon** · 02-07-2013, 10:53 PM

I am shocked so many people wrote so much without reading wikipedia. That is mandatory to win at the internetz.
WebKit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**trwrt** · 02-08-2013, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by DenverRalphy

More accurately, WebKit was developed by the KDE developers. Apple merely added some function calls specific to their platform. You could strip Apple's code out of it and nobody would notice.

This isn't even the slightest bit accurate. If it was then Blackberry and others could simply use KHTML and leave Apple out of it.

**rrtek** · 02-08-2013, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by trwrt

This isn't even the slightest bit accurate. If it was then Blackberry and others could simply use KHTML and leave Apple out of it.

It doesn't make any sense what you are saying. KHTML is GPL so nobody can leave out anyone.

If KHTML wouldn't have been copyleft Apple wouldn't have released the changes, I have no doubts about it.

**Eumaeus** · 02-08-2013, 09:49 AM

This is a very silly discussion.

Apple forked Konqueror and released Safari, based on that code, in 2001. They announced the open-source WebKit in 2005. So there has been twelve years of Apple development on that code-base. So the contributions from Apple since their original KDE fork include things like the CSS engine, the JavaScript engine, SVG support, HTML 5 support. You know, all the modern web-stuff.

WebKit is an Apple thing. PDF is an Adobe thing. OpenType is a Microsoft thing. In each case, lots of other people and organizations pitched in, which really changes nothing at the heart of things: certain companies "own" certain technologies, and choose to share them via open-licensing (for their own business ends that never, ever, have anything to do with generosity). Most of those started life in some smaller way, before being "adopted" by their big, corporate sponsors (kind of like, you know, QNX).

Blackberry uses WebKit, PDF, OpenType, and a million other technologies that they didn't invent. So does Apple, Google, Microsoft, and everyone else.

Relax, be happy, enjoy the customizations that BB has made to WebKit. And reflect on the insanity of BB not using WebKit, which works, is freely available, and will be improved and maintained by engineers paid by someone else, freeing BB's engineers to do something other than re-invent an html rendering engine.

There is no "html rendering engine" war... no good vs. evil here... really nothing to see.

**rrtek** · 02-08-2013, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by Eumaeus

Apple forked Konqueror and released Safari, based on that code, in 2001. They announced the open-source WebKit in 2005. So there has been twelve years of Apple development on that code-base. So the contributions from Apple since their original KDE fork include things like the CSS engine, the JavaScript engine, SVG support, HTML 5 support. You know, all the modern web-stuff.

Apple never forked Konqueror because Konqueror is GPL and Safari is closed-source and that's not possible.

**xandermac** · 02-08-2013, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by DenverRalphy

More accurately, WebKit was developed by the KDE developers. Apple merely added some function calls specific to their platform. You could strip Apple's code out of it and nobody would notice.

SwiftKeyed/Flowed via TapaTalk.

This is easier WebKit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**Eumaeus** · 02-08-2013, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by rrtek

Apple never forked Konqueror because Konqueror is GPL and Safari is closed-source and that's not possible.

No. Not only is it possible, but it happened. The closed-source part of Safari is closed source. The html-rendering engine is based on the GPL'ed Konquerer, and Apple's changes to the source-code were re-committed to the Konquerer CVS repository in the same week Apple originally released Safari (as required by the GPL). Which is why WebKit is open-source, thus continuing to honor the GPL. When Blackberry makes modifications to the WebKit code (as opposed to their BB10 browser), they too will commit those back to the project, as required by the GPL.

All this is a matter of well-documented history; it is not super-interesting, except as the back-story to a really good web-framework that has become the industry standard (and thus a very wise choice for BB10's browser).