[Rootbrian]

I don't read biased news or negative presses. I barely read the news if at all because most of it is negative. I would rather see it live, witness it first hand and be there to experience it. Crackberry is helping with that! GO CRACKBERRY, BLACKBERRY AND RIM!

So is Gizmodo, LifeHacker, etc. They're there and not in front of the tubes.

[polytope]

How often are analysts right when it comes to their assessment of anything?

Anyway, the success of BB10 will depend on how many people who need something that works for them will adopt it. From Thorsten's keynote and Alec's, it is clear that people who are already using the BB (i.e. the BlackBerry People) will have little reason to switch over to anything else. And people who are not iFans or Fandroids will probably take a serious look at the BB10 when they need to upgrade their phone.

When was the last time you heard devs being excited over a RIM product? Frankly, I thought I was at a WWDC keynote delivered by Steve Jobs (may he rest in peace). Believe it or not, BB10 IS GAME CHANGING FOR RIM!

[husainpatan]

ThIs Barron sure idolizes BGR's geller.

[Draconianfire83]

So there are many reasons why analysts post negative news about RIM...
1. It's trendy to bash RIM and expect little (RIM has slacked a bit)
2. Analyst is not a credential for "Tech-Savvy"
3. Analysts are like Philosophers... paid to sit around and think up crap.
4. (3 cont'd) Thinking usually leads to metaphysics and the "beyond"
5. The main reason RIM is bashed... analysts expected a metaphysical existance meter that measures your real-time placement with the boundaries of the string-theory universe(s). BB10 would then use its UPS (Universes Positioning System) to shoot lasers at Cylon invaders who threaten their fortune 500 companies...

I think analysts need to find better things to think about...

Obviously, I'm not "totally" serious... however, every lie has a grain of truth...
Ponder that Plato!

[1magine]

WOW. And you guys think the analysts are out of their minds?

First - as far as the long term health and well being of RIM. The analysts don't matter. RIM needs to win over the tech bloggers. If they think BB10 and the hardware are something special, it will generate interest among consumers. When consumer adoption increases, the analysts will come around.

That said, RIMM is at $12. And deservedly so. The stock is a reflection of RIM's current place in the market. The last devices RIM has put out are mostly EOL in North America. They did not generate excitement and enthusiasm. The low-end, developing markets are mostly inundated. These new devices are a minimum of 5 months out, and given RIM's history, likely six. That means no huge influx of sales and a further eroding of market share. On Tuesday, a developer's survey was released, showing that while 88% would like to develop for IOS, 82% for Android, only 16% at this point want to develop for BB. Among the other huge mountains RIM has to climb, that is a very tall order. However, most analysts are not taking into account the Android Player, which we hope will be available on BB10. And if RIM can truly deliver a 1 day port of any IOS or ANdroid application to BB10, then developer adoption will be a non-issue. Problem is RIGHT NOW, and only right now, RIM has nothing to really show, and a history of not delivering.

So, I'm not saying not to have hope. You should. I do. What I'm saying is don't blame or belittle those people whose job it is to look at the facts and draw unemotional financial conclusions. They did not create this mess, (No not even BGR!)

RIM created this mess. The announced almost 3 years ago that JAVA was poorly suited to modern smart phones and they would build on a new platform QNX. They did not build the Playbook on BB OS, it was built on QNX, but their most important asset, their handset business, they continued to use underpowered and second class materials and build on the JAVA OS.

BGR did not make that decision, analysts didn't tell them to do this, Apple lovers and Android fans did not decide these moves. People bought what they liked, and for the majority of consumers that has not been BB. And as consumers adopted IOS in larger and larger numbers, enterprise was under increasing pressure to meets its users needs, those on BES often kept their BBs until they died, and for the first time carried a second device (usually IOS); others pushed their IT until they adopted a MDM solution that allowed consumers to BYOD. This is what has brought RIMM to $12 today.

And I'll add one more person responsible. Every BB user that repeatedly shouted down other BB users who brought up reasonable issues and concerns, and never demanded more and accepted far less than they should from a company that was more than capable, if pushed, of delivering. From - "BBs are business devices they don't need a camera." Or "It doesn't need a media player. If you want to listen to music carry a walkman" "There is more than enough application memory, developers need to learn to code better." Etc., etc. on and on. You know who you are - so stop pointing fingers at others. You bear a boatload of responsibility, far more than Barrons or BGR.

[Draconianfire83]

I agree! RIMM has slipped big time in the past 3-5 years. However, I also think that the way analysts are viewing recent things could potentially benefit RIMM.

I'm not a stock market guru by any means... but if analysts undercut RIMM and state they won't do well in 3Q... then it sets a low bar for RIMM to overcome. If RIMM can market to the general public like they marketed to the audience at BBWorld, then they have a good shot at far surpassing that low bar set by analysts...

A big margin over that bar and RIMM will begin to win back some credibility.

[Tre Lawrence]

WOW. And you guys think the analysts are out of their minds?

First - as far as the long term health and well being of RIM. The analysts don't matter. RIM needs to win over the tech bloggers. If they think BB10 and the hardware are something special, it will generate interest among consumers. When consumer adoption increases, the analysts will come around.

That said, RIMM is at $12. And deservedly so. The stock is a reflection of RIM's current place in the market. The last devices RIM has put out are mostly EOL in North America. They did not generate excitement and enthusiasm. The low-end, developing markets are mostly inundated. These new devices are a minimum of 5 months out, and given RIM's history, likely six. That means no huge influx of sales and a further eroding of market share. On Tuesday, a developer's survey was released, showing that while 88% would like to develop for IOS, 82% for Android, only 16% at this point want to develop for BB. Among the other huge mountains RIM has to climb, that is a very tall order. However, most analysts are not taking into account the Android Player, which we hope will be available on BB10. And if RIM can truly deliver a 1 day port of any IOS or ANdroid application to BB10, then developer adoption will be a non-issue. Problem is RIGHT NOW, and only right now, RIM has nothing to really show, and a history of not delivering.

So, I'm not saying not to have hope. You should. I do. What I'm saying is don't blame or belittle those people whose job it is to look at the facts and draw unemotional financial conclusions. They did not create this mess, (No not even BGR!)

RIM created this mess. The announced almost 3 years ago that JAVA was poorly suited to modern smart phones and they would build on a new platform QNX. They did not build the Playbook on BB OS, it was built on QNX, but their most important asset, their handset business, they continued to use underpowered and second class materials and build on the JAVA OS.

BGR did not make that decision, analysts didn't tell them to do this, Apple lovers and Android fans did not decide these moves. People bought what they liked, and for the majority of consumers that has not been BB. And as consumers adopted IOS in larger and larger numbers, enterprise was under increasing pressure to meets its users needs, those on BES often kept their BBs until they died, and for the first time carried a second device (usually IOS); others pushed their IT until they adopted a MDM solution that allowed consumers to BYOD. This is what has brought RIMM to $12 today.

And I'll add one more person responsible. Every BB user that repeatedly shouted down other BB users who brought up reasonable issues and concerns, and never demanded more and accepted far less than they should from a company that was more than capable, if pushed, of delivering. From - "BBs are business devices they don't need a camera." Or "It doesn't need a media player. If you want to listen to music carry a walkman" "There is more than enough application memory, developers need to learn to code better." Etc., etc. on and on. You know who you are - so stop pointing fingers at others. You bear a boatload of responsibility, far more than Barrons or BGR.

Completely sensible, but it as you and I know, it is much more fun to blame the boogeyman, who, in BB land, manifests himself in several different ways:

• Analysts
• Wall Street
• BGR
• Engadget
• New York Times
• US government (seriously... someone said this).
• Verizon execs
• Shadowy coalition let by Apple and Google
• Paid posters
• Third world dictators scared of RIM's security

I know I am missing a vendor of hate or two, but yes, you need to understand that the whole world is against RIM, and is responsible for its woes. If you don't get this, or refuse to buy into the conspiracy, you might be added to the list.

[1magine]

I agree! RIMM has slipped big time in the past 3-5 years. However, I also think that the way analysts are viewing recent things could potentially benefit RIMM.

I'm not a stock market guru by any means... but if analysts undercut RIMM and state they won't do well in 3Q... then it sets a low bar for RIMM to overcome. If RIMM can market to the general public like they marketed to the audience at BBWorld, then they have a good shot at far surpassing that low bar set by analysts...

A big margin over that bar and RIMM will begin to win back some credibility.

I agree. I'm not changing to bullish on RIMM from a business perspective. But if I had a few bucks to gamble and RIM came down to $10, I might jump in with a small position, - solely for entertainment purposes.

[hasib123]

I agree. I'm not changing to bullish on RIMM from a business perspective. But if I had a few bucks to gamble and RIM came down to $10, I might jump in with a small position, - solely for entertainment purposes.

i was thinking the same thing when I purchased at $15 a share.....

[1magine]

Sorry to hear that. But if RIMM does make it all the way back, $20 or $30 would not be out of the question. It's just a matter of how long you hold. Remember losses and gains are not realized until you sell. RIMM is far from bankrupt, and their IP, acquisitions and infrastructure is probably at $11 and change as a floor if they have to sell; $10 depending on the parachutes they need to pay.

[undone]

If you were on WM6, you stayed one OS to long (or brought into WM to late). By the time WM6, that platform was stale.



LOL Really? You may be a little late to the party. First Bud's on me, just to get you up to speed.

Yea really. App delivery is stacked against you. It will EVOLVE from its current craptastic delivery methods to something better.