- 05-02-2012, 11:36 PM #2
1.5GHz Dual-core OMAP4460
It's pretty much the Playbook (slight update on the OMAP4).
The final devices will be using Snapdragon S4.
- 05-02-2012, 11:58 PM #3
- 05-03-2012, 12:23 AM #5
All the new hardware such as London, Nile etc are using Qualcomm 8960 and 8660.
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- 05-03-2012, 12:38 AM #7
Circumstances change, RIM had one set of deadlines on one set of CPU --- they missed the deadlines --- then they had to improve the hardware/CPU. Then Apple changed from launching iphones in June to all the way back to October --- then RIM had to change their schedules and another hardware/CPU change.
All I was saying was that now these big 3D game developers like making Galaxy on Fire 2 HD has to start the porting on the OMAP4460's GPU prototype and then after finishing 80% of the project, they have to optimize it on the MSM8960's GPU.
- 05-03-2012, 01:03 AM #8
Changing the GPU doesn't hinder the developers. Galaxy on Fire 2 HD was ported in a single day from iOS -> Playbook.
Also, changing hardware spec delays release substantially and the partners (developers) get access to the new hardware long before consumers.
- 05-03-2012, 01:30 AM #9
The S4 is a good chip that I always assumed would be in the first BB10 phone. I am saying that with the missed deadlines --- the easiest path would have been using an OMAP chip for the first BB10 phone (especially when RIM probably bought too much chips for the Playbook) --- so that RIM doesn't have to write a new GPU driver, optimize the battery life on another CPU platform...
Maybe RIM is saying that the prototype has a OMAP4460 and the actual product will have a different chip --- and that chip is OMAP4470 (with a newer GPU SGX544). Rewriting a SGX540 driver to a SGX544 driver would be faster and easier for RIM.
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05-03-2012, 08:35 AM #10
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I know it's still a BlackBerry 10 Developer Alpha unit. But I hope the HW specs is at least similar to Samsung I9300 Galaxy S III (Quad-core) or better and of course battery performance a must.
Also, a Gorilla glass screen not a so called liquid-plastic LCD.
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- 05-03-2012, 09:50 AM #11
- 05-03-2012, 12:53 PM #12
Hopefully you're wrong, future will say...
I would have by far prefered an OMAP 5 SoC in future BB. Cortex A15 and TI would have made the gap (and buzzz) bigger when compare to current, so classical and quad-core A9.
Snapdragon aren't bad SoC. But TI SoC are the best and A15 are by far better than A9...
Please RIM continue with TI and OMAP 5
- 05-03-2012, 05:08 PM #13
Not really about being wrong, you can see what they have included in the firmware and it's difficult for them to remove these references.
There's nothing about OMAP4460 (or any other OMAP) that isn't a year old.
They already have the Snapdragon S4 code in there with several product name references that use this chip.
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05-04-2012, 08:21 AM #14
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While some devices are going to tend to use the S4 due to them needing LTE support for Verizon and AT&T, it wouldn't surprise me if we don't see a mix of omap for a RoW device and S4 for the American market in much the same way that HTC has done with one of their new models for the simple reasons that performance will be similar, having multiple suppliers will not leave them too dependent on one to deliver and finally because a fair amount of their developers will not have worked on qualcomm chipsets previously so they wouldn't be getting the best out of them and that could lead to backlogs.
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- 05-04-2012, 02:00 PM #18
It won't be Cortex A15 --- it takes about 1 year from sampling to actual production usage. If they said sampling begins in 2H12 (basically October 2012 at the earliest), then you will see it in actual products in 2H13 (basically October 2013 at the earliest).
The Linley Group - TI Boosts Base-Station Processors
The only 2 options for BB10 handsets are:
OMAP4460 application processor + Qualcomm baseband processor
Qualcomm MSM8960 (which is application + baseband processor combined).
Even the OMAP4470 (basically a OMAP4460 with a newer GPU) is looking to be too optimistic for BB10 shipping in Q4.
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05-05-2012, 04:36 AM #22
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man... no OMAP 5 for 2012 bb10 products?
where did you get these snapdragon processors from? how ddid you guys figure that first gen bb10 devices will be snapdragon?
i thought that omap 5 would be complete and ready to ship in products in the second half of 2012, which is when bb10 is supposed to come out.
also, since they're using omap4 in the dev alpha device, i thought they'd stick with OMAP for their final hardware as well. does that not make sense?
- 05-05-2012, 09:13 AM #23
Colt is an abandoned/developer product that first made a showing last year. Revision 6 of this was sent off to developers as Dev Alpha.
The newest devices listed are Blackberry Nile and Blackberry CoolStream. Again, Snapdragon S4.
- 05-05-2012, 09:55 AM #24
- 05-05-2012, 10:05 AM #25
Thorstein could have scrapped these newer Snapdragon S4 projects after he took over and went back to the long abandoned colt project (with a OMAP4460 speed bump) because of the missed deadlines. RIM needs to ship BB10 phones before the Christmas holidays and they already wrote the GPU drivers for the SGX540 and game developers don't have to make optimizations for another GPU for their games.
I always assume that RIM would pick MSM8960 as their BB10 chipset, but after the Dev Alpha came out with OMAP4460 --- I am not so sure.