Passport and Classic Sales Numbers?
- Hi Fellow Crackberrians :
I just went on Amazon and both the Passport and Classic are currently ranked 80th and 81st respectively for sales volumes. It was only a few weeks ago when they were both in the top 10 !
Does this indicate the market demand for these devices is spent ? Does anyone have a sense on take-up rates from other retailers or countries?
Is this bad news for Q4 ?01-26-15 06:16 PMLike 0 - From what I understand online sales are still a pretty small part of overall sales especially in North America where carriers subsidize devices.app_Developer likes this.01-26-15 07:36 PMLike 1
- I have great admiration for Mr. Chen but I don't think he gets it. He can make the best phones but with any app gap, he cant sell the phones. He MUST separate hardware from software. I understand the allure of making sexy phones, perhaps the best phones but he is doing a great disservice to the shareholders and to the company.
Hi Fellow Crackberrians :
I just went on Amazon and both the Passport and Classic are currently ranked 80th and 81st respectively for sales volumes. It was only a few weeks ago when they were both in the top 10 !
Does this indicate the market demand for these devices is spent ? Does anyone have a sense on take-up rates from other retailers or countries?
Is this bad news for Q4 ?01-26-15 07:39 PMLike 0 -
He's just not a great salesman.
He MUST separate hardware from software..
Sent from my iPhone 6 using Tapatalk01-26-15 07:52 PMLike 0 - Around the day it was announced that at&t would carry those devices, the unlocked ranking dropped significantly on Amazon USA. I guess people rather have it subsidized.
Posted via CB1001-26-15 09:53 PMLike 0 - Hi Fellow Crackberrians :
I just went on Amazon and both the Passport and Classic are currently ranked 80th and 81st respectively for sales volumes. It was only a few weeks ago when they were both in the top 10 !
Does this indicate the market demand for these devices is spent ? Does anyone have a sense on take-up rates from other retailers or countries?
Is this bad news for Q4 ?01-26-15 10:32 PMLike 0 - Hi Fellow Crackberrians :
I just went on Amazon and both the Passport and Classic are currently ranked 80th and 81st respectively for sales volumes. It was only a few weeks ago when they were both in the top 10 !
Does this indicate the market demand for these devices is spent ? Does anyone have a sense on take-up rates from other retailers or countries?
Is this bad news for Q4 ?
But as there is only one month left in the quarter now and it still isn't available to enterprise in the US..... Most of the Classic sales won't get counted until the first quarter of the next fiscal year.
Amazon is a consumer site, selling unlocked devices..... that still isn't how most North American customers buy smartphones. Consumer or Enterprise.01-27-15 08:08 AMLike 0 - The Passport or Classic haven't been available via providers. The only one is US Mobile. Maybe some people are waiting for these phones via their carriers. I hope all the demand hasn't been satisfied yet.01-28-15 10:14 AMLike 0
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also, check this other CB posting re Passport availability:
complete-list-carriers-and-places-buy-blackberry-passport01-28-15 11:09 AMLike 0 - Not true. All the major Canadian Mobile Providers/Carriers have them. Not a full global release though.
also, check this other CB posting re Passport availability:
complete-list-carriers-and-places-buy-blackberry-passport
Let's face it, saying all Canadian Carriers have them is only about 10% of the North American market. And as sales in the US are still primarily through carriers and are still subsidised (even a little) as part of a contract..... most of the direct sales options are outside of what most users (commercial or consumer) would be considering. For the sake of argument... the Classic nor the Passport is really "available" in North American yet.
Cause when sales figures come out for the 4th quarter... I bet that will be pointed too as the reason for slower than expected sales.01-29-15 08:16 AMLike 0 - Is Canada part of North America... us Yanks keep forgetting you guys are up there.
Let's face it, saying all Canadian Carriers have them is only about 10% of the North American market. And as sales in the US are still primarily through carriers and are still subsidised (even a little) as part of a contract..... most of the direct sales options are outside of what most users (commercial or consumer) would be considering. For the sake of argument... the Classic nor the Passport is really "available" in North American yet.
Cause when sales figures come out for the 4th quarter... I bet that will be pointed too as the reason for slower than expected sales.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
(not sure how or where you get your information from though)01-29-15 10:38 AMLike 0 - I have great admiration for Mr. Chen but I don't think he gets it. He can make the best phones but with any app gap, he cant sell the phones. He MUST separate hardware from software. I understand the allure of making sexy phones, perhaps the best phones but he is doing a great disservice to the shareholders and to the company.
There is No App Gap on BB10, it runs both Android and BB10 apps very well.
BBRY makes the best smart phones, most innovative. That stimulates this industry. 2015 is going to be the companies growth year. EnJoY the RiDe.
Posted by Q501-30-15 12:26 AMLike 0 - Does anyone else find it strange that we have this thread wondering where the Passport and Classic demand has gone at the same time that we have a thread about the iPhone's record-breaking monster quarter? Hmmmm...I'm not so sure that these two phenomena are unrelated...techvisor likes this.01-30-15 01:25 AMLike 1
- Does anyone else find it strange that we have this thread wondering where the Passport and Classic demand has gone at the same time that we have a thread about the iPhone's record-breaking monster quarter? Hmmmm...I'm not so sure that these two phenomena are unrelated...
Be best at what you do!... there is a segment of consumer/business that will want that, above all other options...
Posted via CB10theRock1975 and ricocan like this.01-30-15 03:00 AMLike 2 - Does anyone else find it strange that we have this thread wondering where the Passport and Classic demand has gone at the same time that we have a thread about the iPhone's record-breaking monster quarter? Hmmmm...I'm not so sure that these two phenomena are unrelated...01-30-15 07:59 AMLike 0
- If Blackberry can get back to doing what it does best, then it will succeed, the same way Porsche succeeds at what it offers, even though GM and Ford and Toyota sell way more cars... than they ever will...
Be best at what you do!... there is a segment of consumer/business that will want that, above all other options...
Posted via CB10
Porsche can flourish selling only .5% of the cars in the world.... not sure BlackBerry can do the same if 8 million devices is all they can sell.
And the problem is.... what criteria do others use to come up with the BEST? Outside of CrackBerry I'm not sure BlackBerries are seen as the best option. And too be quite honest BlackBerry's biggest issue.... is BlackBerry the company. When your financial health and rumors of being sold are common knowledge... that makes buyers very wary, regardless of your products abilities.01-30-15 09:46 AMLike 0 - Big difference in the profit from selling one Porsche and from selling one Classic....
Porsche can flourish selling only .5% of the cars in the world.... not sure BlackBerry can do the same if 8 million devices is all they can sell.
And the problem is.... what criteria do others use to come up with the BEST? Outside of CrackBerry I'm not sure BlackBerries are seen as the best option. And too be quite honest BlackBerry's biggest issue.... is BlackBerry the company. When your financial health and rumors of being sold are common knowledge... that makes buyers very wary, regardless of your products abilities.01-30-15 10:03 AMLike 0 - Big difference in the profit from selling one Porsche and from selling one Classic....
Porsche can flourish selling only .5% of the cars in the world.... not sure BlackBerry can do the same if 8 million devices is all they can sell.
And the problem is.... what criteria do others use to come up with the BEST? Outside of CrackBerry I'm not sure BlackBerries are seen as the best option. And too be quite honest BlackBerry's biggest issue.... is BlackBerry the company. When your financial health and rumors of being sold are common knowledge... that makes buyers very wary, regardless of your products abilities.01-30-15 10:05 AMLike 0 - Maybe if you could be specific in what you don't agree with....
The numbers are for BlackBerry - .5% is market share for sales based on the IDC IDC: Smartphone OS Market Share 2014, 2013, 2012, and 2011, and 8 million is a guess of where sales will be for this year (currently that have recognized revenue on 5.6 million through the 3rd quarter - eight million assumes a slight increase due to the Passport and Classic). But Porsche is really only about .2% of the overall car market in sales.
The rest is just a guess as to why people and companies are not buying BlackBerry devices. You can believe that BB10 was too different from BBOS and that everyone just sat around waiting for BlackBerry to come out with the Classic if you want. Maybe you'll be right. All I know is Apple said they were #1 in business and BlackBerry didn't FactCheck them. And so far I don't see an indication that there really is much of a niche out there. And I doubt you can show otherwise.. other than just hope and faith. But as I said, it's just a guess.... over then next six months we will see.kirson and sentimentGX4 like this.01-30-15 12:31 PMLike 2 - In the most recent numbers I saw, Blackberry didn't even make the list. I'm thinking they were US domestic numbers but it means, they are less than .1% of the market. Now, I think the re-engineering is still underway and we're seeing the down slope of the Z10 and Q10 and have not yet seen the Passport or Classic effect on the numbers. However, I'm not sure the Passport and Classic numbers are going to be any different.
Further, did the Z10, Q5, Q10 and Z30 do that badly that they only amounted to less than .1% of the US market ?01-30-15 03:01 PMLike 0 - I have great admiration for Mr. Chen but I don't think he gets it. He can make the best phones but with any app gap, he cant sell the phones. He MUST separate hardware from software. I understand the allure of making sexy phones, perhaps the best phones but he is doing a great disservice to the shareholders and to the company.
Posted via CB1002-07-15 08:35 AMLike 0 - Apps not problem.. distribution by carriers... worldwide for Classic and Passport... those that see the products and touch them... likely to buy....
Few will be up to speed on BlackBerry products and order only online... imo
Posted via CB1002-07-15 06:03 PMLike 0 - Keyboard phones are such poor sellers that they have been overwhelmingly abandoned by other OEMs, so the overall market that BlackBerry is trying to address with the Passport and Classic is small to begin with. As more official sales data is revealed by BlackBerry, perhaps we'll get a better idea of the actual figures.02-07-15 07:40 PMLike 0
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