[JSmith422]

So with the impending death of bb10, we are starting to demo a new ecosystem for the company. We're looking at the DTek60 and IOS, but since we're boutique, we're only going to support one.

Many in the firm simply don't trust Google, so there's a strong possibility that we end up with IOS.

Does anyone have any recommendations on ways to bring some BB10 features (or similar) to IOS?

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[ray689]

They don't trust Google but they trust Apple? You are much better off trying to replicate a BB10 experience on the Dtek and other BlackBerry Android device then you ever will be on iOS.

[howarmat]

Honestly I wouldnt try to make iOS work like bb10. You need to find your own way that iOS will work for you.

The dtek series at least has the hub and some other bb apps so its much better starting point

[JSmith422]

They don't trust Google but they trust Apple? You are much better off trying to replicate a BB10 experience on the Dtek and other BlackBerry Android device then you ever will be on iOS.

Ray, no debate on the experience. The problem for many in our organization is they feel Google is going to collect/data mine more information than Apple, thus making IOS a more secure platform.

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[anon(10101748)]

So what BB10 features are you looking for? Depending on the company and mobile device management chosen (if one is chosen), certain BB10 features are meaningless.

For example, there was a time my employer gave strictly BBOS7 and migrated to BB10 with Z10 and Q10 deployment. However, our phones were completely locked down to Company Supported applications. Thus the HUB became a unified INBOX for company email, text, BBM. The HUB is an amazing BB10 feature but if you're limited to a singular email account, texts, and BBM you can live without.

We've since moved to iPhones and use MobileIron and Junos Pulse VPN. I've lost nothing from BB10 really.

Now if your company is going to allow or actually needs Social Media accounts and multiple email addresses, etc and the HUB would be useful then clearly the DTEK devices offer the closest experience. The Google issue is not really an issue. There are more Android devices than any other OS. The Google Police are actually quite friendly and useful and are continuing to offer better protection to YOUR information.

Bottom line: if this is a small company that buys a handful of phones that are on a "corporate account" but are used by individuals as if they were personal devices then the DTEK60 clearly is closest to BB10 that you will get.

[JSmith422]

So what BB10 features are you looking for? Depending on the company and mobile device management chosen (if one is chosen), certain BB10 features are meaningless.

For example, there was a time my employer gave strictly BBOS7 and migrated to BB10 with Z10 and Q10 deployment. However, our phones were completely locked down to Company Supported applications. Thus the HUB became a unified INBOX for company email, text, BBM. The HUB is an amazing BB10 feature but if you're limited to a singular email account, texts, and BBM you can live without.

We've since moved to iPhones and use MobileIron and Junos Pulse VPN. I've lost nothing from BB10 really.

Now if your company is going to allow or actually needs Social Media accounts and multiple email addresses, etc and the HUB would be useful then clearly the DTEK devices offer the closest experience. The Google issue is not really an issue. There are more Android devices than any other OS. The Google Police are actually quite friendly and useful and are continuing to offer better protection to YOUR information.

Bottom line: if this is a small company that buys a handful of phones that are on a "corporate account" but are used by individuals as if they were personal devices then the DTEK60 clearly is closest to BB10 that you will get.

Thanks for the reply. Social Media is essentially a non-issue for us, and the phones are business use only with a handful of very limited (executive) situations. That said, we have LOTS of email addresses.....but we don't aggregate them into a unified inbox. We use the hub primarily to enable account level notifications. Some email addresses we need to monitor like a nuclear power plant, and others we don't want to be notified at all. Some users maintain as many as 30+ accounts on one device, so a robust email platform is important.

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[howarmat]

You can manage your email like that on iOS or android. I dont know how 30 would be handled exactly. Do you need a different sound for 25 of them? If so iOS probably is going to limit you a little bit

[Q10Bold]

Stay with BB10

#soon, later, later this year, fiscal year, commitment,...blablabla ~J.BlaBla Chen

[anon(10101748)]

You can manage your email like that on iOS or android. I dont know how 30 would be handled exactly. Do you need a different sound for 25 of them? If so iOS probably is going to limit you a little bit

This^^^^

[JSmith422]

Stay with BB10

#soon, later, later this year, fiscal year, commitment,...blablabla ~J.BlaBla Chen

We will probably be with BB10 as long as we can, but without any new devices coming out and "limited" support, we need to find a way to convert to a new system. Just getting our ducks in a row to make that transition.

One of the problems we see with Android is the inability to do a local backup. That's problematic for a number of reasons.

Ps....Your signature is hilarious.

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[mad_mdx]

Email on iphone is a complete joke, it is truly awful.
Especially if you're using secured email with mobileiron (can't use third party apsp).

You cannot add attachments to an email. In order to send any file besides a photo, you need to go into the app which handles that particular file type and then share that file. For each different file type.

I'm not sure how secured email works on android.


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[JSmith422]

Email on iphone is a complete joke, it is truly awful.
Especially if you're using secured email with mobileiron (can't use third party apsp).

You cannot add attachments to an email. In order to send any file besides a photo, you need to go into the app which handles that particular file type and then share that file. For each different file type.

I'm not sure how secured email works on android.


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That sounds miserable. We send pdf's and a number of different file types all day, and the blackberry file manager has been great for us. We can send anything from anywhere, by any medium we want.....but of course you already know that since you're here.

Like many that are about to be forced off of BB10, we're frustrated with our options (or lack thereof), we just want a phone that's private, secure, doesn't rely on the cloud for every little thing, and highly productive for our needs. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be an option at the moment.

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[JSmith422]

You can manage your email like that on iOS or android. I dont know how 30 would be handled exactly. Do you need a different sound for 25 of them? If so iOS probably is going to limit you a little bit

Don't need a different sound per se, actually, only about 5 or 10 need sounds. The rest need to be silent. You can imagine what the thing would sound like otherwise. It probably actually "blow up."

An LED is really helpful (RGB or not), for certain accounts that don't use sound, but that's only blackberry, isn't it?

I was thinking a work around would be if the screen intermittently alerted you in some way, at least enough to catch your eye.....but it can't display message information without possibly leaking confidential data. It would just need to say "new message" or something generic.

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[howarmat]

Don't need a different sound per se, actually, only about 5 or 10 need sounds. The rest need to be silent. You can imagine what the thing would sound like otherwise. It probably actually "blow up."

An LED is really helpful (RGB or not), for certain accounts that don't use sound, but that's only blackberry, isn't it?

I was thinking a work around would be if the screen intermittently alerted you in some way, at least enough to catch your eye.....but it can't display message information without possibly leaking confidential data. It would just need to say "new message" or something generic.

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sounds ilke you need an android device if you want LED and such. The dtek60 would be something to really consider as a trial device perhaps

[ohaiguise]

Stay with BB10

#soon, later, later this year, fiscal year, commitment,...blablabla ~J.BlaBla Chen

Yeah ... agreed ... OP wants email organization and doesn't care about social media. What exactly is the urgent need to ditch all your BBOS/BB10 devices?

[JSmith422]

Yeah ... agreed ... OP wants email organization and doesn't care about social media. What exactly is the urgent need to ditch all your BBOS/BB10 devices?

Nothing urgent. We just need to plan ahead a little bit so that when the bb10 devices are no longer productive for our team that we have a tested "turn key" solution ready to deploy without any interruption in business operations.

Based on recent complaints of "untrusted websites " I'm guessing it's the browser that's going to give up the ghost and force us to move first.

One of the problems we faced when leaving bbos, and transitioning to bb10 was "all of a sudden" not having features we didn't actually know we relied upon until they were gone. In some cases it was as simple as we didn't know we were using them and in other cases, going from blackberry to blackberry, we assumed (our fault) that Blackberry would continue the same features. We expected more features not fewer.....account level notifications was glaringly missing on 10.0, and I'm not sure we actually got it until 10.2?

We had similar issues when we converted from Windows Mobile to BBOS a decade or more ago...initially we had trouble with calendar appointments showing up in Outlook exactly 24 hours AFTER they were scheduled. Needless to say, this caused a lot of confusion, problems, and interruptions. Plus blackberry wasn't real quick at delivering a solution. So we were stuck for a while having to remember that appointments were off by 24hrs.

Haha, it seems to be a nightmare for us each time we switch.

Long story short, we're in the planning phase. We just want to get ahead of the curve this time around so we aren't scrambling to find solutions (that may or not even be possible) all while trying to keep normal operations running. The plan is; find all the problems, find suitable solutions and work arounds, implement solutions and work arounds, test and repeat until it's bulletproof....THEN deploy.





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